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Old 09-08-2009, 04:05 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Hmmm. I'll have to practice the clutchless shifting when shifting through all gears. I've been skipping 2 and 4 using a 1,3,5,6 pattern to save on clutch slave cylinder wear and to see a slight mileage benefit. Clutchless would be better yet.

By the way, using clutch in coasting for at least the last 40,000 miles on the Concours has resulted in zero issues. The motor has at least 80,000 on it now (replaced by previous owner, no mileage on motor given).

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Old 09-23-2009, 08:21 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Ok, so I tried no clutch shifting on my Vulcan the other day and found that it can't be done. Not sure why, but the shift lever simply won't move until the clutch is pulled in. I tried it under throttle, coasting, light throttle, in different gears, up/down, nothing doing. I'm not sure why this might be. I remember when I was taking the MSF course I frequently shifted the Nighthawk 250s they used without the clutch by accident and the bike didn't seem to mind. Not sure why my Vulcan is different, any thoughts?
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Try holding pressure on the shift lever while slowly releasing the throttle. There is no reason that I can see that would stop any transmission from shifting without the use of the clutch.
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Ok, so I tried no clutch shifting on my Vulcan the other day and found that it can't be done. Not sure why, but the shift lever simply won't move until the clutch is pulled in. I tried it under throttle, coasting, light throttle, in different gears, up/down, nothing doing. I'm not sure why this might be. I remember when I was taking the MSF course I frequently shifted the Nighthawk 250s they used without the clutch by accident and the bike didn't seem to mind. Not sure why my Vulcan is different, any thoughts?
My Ninja did the same thing when I tried it. Can't say I tried all those variations, but it seemed like something is preventing it from shifting.
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Old 09-23-2009, 09:10 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I give it a try ... i cant definitely say that it dont worth it , pull the clutch , is more easy , it do not break anything .

my bike is a monocylinder with 250cc and 22 000 km and transmission is as new , clutch do not slip (until I powershift) its normal
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I give it a try ... i cant definitely say that it dont worth it , pull the clutch , is more easy , it do not break anything .

my bike is a monocylinder with 250cc and 22 000 km and transmission is as new , clutch do not slip (until I powershift) its normal
Done properly, clutchless shifting should not feel any different than clutched shifting, either to the rider or the transmission.
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Done properly, clutchless shifting should not feel any different than clutched shifting, either to the rider or the transmission.
and if there is no reason tu do not use clutch I wont do it ..
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Ok, so I tried no clutch shifting on my Vulcan the other day and found that it can't be done. Not sure why, but the shift lever simply won't move until the clutch is pulled in. I tried it under throttle, coasting, light throttle, in different gears, up/down, nothing doing. I'm not sure why this might be. I remember when I was taking the MSF course I frequently shifted the Nighthawk 250s they used without the clutch by accident and the bike didn't seem to mind. Not sure why my Vulcan is different, any thoughts?
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My Ninja did the same thing when I tried it. Can't say I tried all those variations, but it seemed like something is preventing it from shifting.
The first thing that comes to mind is the possibility of a clutch interlock, preventing the transmission from being shifted without the clutch lever pulled.

The other, and less likely in your case, Formula, is poor technique. The shifter needs to be lightly loaded in the direction it's going, and the throttle snapped back enough to unload the transmission, (how far the throttle needs to be snapped is dynamic),
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The first thing that comes to mind is the possibility of a clutch interlock, preventing the transmission from being shifted without the clutch lever pulled.

The other, and less likely in your case, Formula, is poor technique. The shifter needs to be lightly loaded in the direction it's going, and the throttle snapped back enough to unload the transmission, (how far the throttle needs to be snapped is dynamic),
I'll cut you some slack since you qualified your hypothesis with "less likely".

Like I said, I tried different variations on this technique to no avail, but I'll give it another shot next time I take it out.
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I'll cut you some slack since you qualified your hypothesis with "less likely".
Like I said, since you could do it on the MSF bikes, my first guess is clutch/shifter interlock.

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