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Old 01-27-2019, 07:37 PM   #231 (permalink)
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You deleted the front sway bar, right? Consider that most FWD cars come with a front sway bar and usually are tuned for understeer, and it makes sense that you’re experiencing oversteer in snow, especially when you also consider that you removed lots of weight from the rear of the car (still living with the hatch delete?)...

I would give some serious thought to putting the front sway bar back on and relocating the battery to the rear...

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Old 01-27-2019, 07:38 PM   #232 (permalink)
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I use to think the skinniest tires were best in snow, so I put 165/80R15 tires on my 87 4wd Subaru. Well they were not really snow tires, and so what would happen in the snow, is the tires would pack the snow down, then slide off the sideways off the mound. Fatter tires wouldn't slide off sideways.

You need another 500 lbs in the car.

Sway bar has nothing to to with it.
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Old 02-06-2019, 04:00 PM   #233 (permalink)
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I'm happy to say I'm not the only person with this issue: I was recently behind an old Ford Ranger who I noticed was constantly correcting oversteer through a gentle, sweeping highway curve in slippy conditions at ~65 km/h (40 mph)



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Have you put it on a scale to get the front/rear axle weights?
Nope never have done this.

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You deleted the front sway bar, right? Consider that most FWD cars come with a front sway bar and usually are tuned for understeer, and it makes sense that you’re experiencing oversteer in snow, especially when you also consider that you removed lots of weight from the rear of the car (still living with the hatch delete?)...

I would give some serious thought to putting the front sway bar back on and relocating the battery to the rear...
Good memory!! Good theory! Yes both F/R bars are off the car.

HOWEVER, you would need weight transfer for this theory to work, and I swear there was so little traction when this happened, there would have been no suspension compression to speak of for the bar(s) to work against.

I'm talking about driving through the gentlest of curves at a moderate speed with hardly any steering input.

So far I've put all the interior bits/hardware back into the rear of the car. (Partly also because it's noisy driving on wet roads, and the roads are mostly wet this time of year.) I also have a bit of extra weight I can add to the cargo area. But I haven't yet had a chance to drive it on slippery roads since doing this.

Will keep you posted.
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Old 02-07-2019, 12:22 AM   #234 (permalink)
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How about your tires age? I ruined our winter tires by storing them outside not too well shaded and supposedly "dried" them in the sun. Lousy traction this winter.
Also: what kind of tires are they?
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These are the tires on it:





Lots of meat, not sure what age they are, but at least 5 years. Probably more. The treads themselves are still easily squishable by hand. They're not hard as hockey pucks. I store them in bags in the shed in the summer.


That said, I have driven the Firefly with ancient and terribly slippery "all-season" tires in the snow, and it was definitely not as tail-happy as this Metro. I'm still holding on to the idea the difference is the weight in the rear. I would confirm today, but that would require me to scrape a layer of ice off the windows from freezing rain.
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weight seems to have worked

I checked the date on the snow tires: just under 5 years old.

And I had it out this afternoon. MAN! It's like a fat old luxury car - so quiet with the interior back in. What a treat! And it rides noticeably smoother with the stock weight in it, plus a few extra lbs in the cargo area. Cadillac, baby!

And the handling seems much more stable. I didn't get to test highway speeds, but on a snow-covered road at ~65 km/h = 40 mph, I had to flick the steering to get the back end wagging, whereas before I had to actively steer it to keep it in line.

Next slippy highway trip will confirm, but I think that was it.
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10k kms




So on the current tank of gas, I will have put 10,000 km (~6200 mi.) on the winter beater Metro. That's in just over 2 years, and mostly winter duty.

I was going to say I have a love/hate relationship with this wee beastie, but maybe it's more like a "tolerate/hate" relationship.

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