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Old 07-21-2018, 08:35 PM   #211 (permalink)
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Amazing that the winters are so cold that the snow just does not melt for months on end. Is that really what happens? In NYC and even in New England we still got melt.

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Old 07-25-2018, 01:48 PM   #212 (permalink)
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Not solved

Cold start rough running problem was back today. Intermittent, though.

This is the 3rd time it's happened, and the car is basically undriveable until it clears up:

2000 Metro cold start problem: missing, backfiring, stalling



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Old 07-25-2018, 01:55 PM   #213 (permalink)
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Amazing that the winters are so cold that the snow just does not melt for months on end. Is that really what happens? In NYC and even in New England we still got melt.

Last winter was pretty darned cold around here. Usually we get a few melts.
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Old 07-25-2018, 09:26 PM   #214 (permalink)
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Check the map sensor. Sound like an open loop problem. What does your scan gauge say about f.a ratio?
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Old 11-12-2018, 05:35 PM   #215 (permalink)
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Metro back on duty - with ANOTHER problem fixed

I pulled the Metro out of storage yesterday. It started right up... the first time.

Then, SNAFU: no more start. No click, no whir, no crank.

I checked the battery voltage (low after sitting, so I put it on the charger). Checked the terminals, and while not pristine, they were OK. I cleaned & re-tightened them anyway.

Still nada.

So I pulled the starter off & immediately found the problem... the flexible braided wire going from the solenoid to the starter motor was badly corroded and falling apart:



The wire even had evidence of high resistance -- blobs of metal on the ends of some broken strands!

This had obviously been in poor shape ever since I got the car, and it had been affecting starter performance from day 1: there was often a very slight but noticeable delay between turning the key and the starter activating. And now we know why!

A call to Crappy Tire revealed a new/remanufactured starter here in frozen Canuckistan is $180 taxes in, thus I was motivated to attempt a fix.

I pulled the end cap off the motor, cut the corroded wire back to good metal, and soldered this extension wire on it:





(No way was I going to be able to reproduce a 2" wire with the connector in exactly the right spot, so I went overboard. An extra long loop so as not to stress the solder job.

And now it works like a charm! It has never sprung to life so convincingly in the 2 years I've had the car.
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Old 11-12-2018, 08:16 PM   #216 (permalink)
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Old 11-12-2018, 10:00 PM   #217 (permalink)
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That’s the same issue the starter on my Saturn had... I had a spare though...
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Old 11-12-2018, 10:29 PM   #218 (permalink)
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Old 11-26-2018, 11:07 AM   #219 (permalink)
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Thatís the same issue the starter on my Saturn had... I had a spare though...

Lucky you. I have 2 "spares", but they're attached to complete cars (Firefly & convertible), so I was reluctant to cannibalize. While I kept the engine from the ForkenSwift donor car, for some reason I didn't keep the starter. Didn't think that one through!


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I moved the 800 watt coolant heater over from the Firefly this weekend.




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I'm also going to try out a coolant temperature sensor mod, which I've never done before.
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Old 11-26-2018, 03:28 PM   #220 (permalink)
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I've owned (2) Geo Metro w/1.0L 5 speeds over the years.

I was able to squeeze middle 50s MPGs out of them on a consistent basis. That was driving like an old lady and with little traffic.

My opinion of teeny-tiny Economods all changed the day I decided to drive one of my Metros through morning rush hour traffic (Dayton, Ohio).

I got caught in between 3 semis.... 1 in front, 1 behind me and one to me leftside of me as I traveled in the far right lane.

I was literally boxed in with virtually NO protection around me. NO power to floor it out of there to escape. NONE. Boxed in. TRAPPED.

That was the last day I ever risked driving an teeny-tiny econobox in heavy rush hour traffic.

Need to consider to the state of people's mental health status, distraction status etc... as well these days. I don't know how it is where you live, but driver's around here are much angrier, hostile, rude and just down right mean !

What is YOUR life worth ?

If I ever get another econobox, it will be used around town and NEVER out on the highways. EVER !
That's why I recommend bolting a turbocharger or a supercharger to it.

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