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Old 01-05-2022, 04:08 PM   #231 (permalink)
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The full amount of the EV qualifying tax credit is in place DURING the entire calendar quarter in which 200,000 EVs are sold by a manufacturer, AND through the subsequent quarter.
Then the tax credit amount is reduced by 50% for the next 2 quarters.
The credit is reduced again to 25% of the original amount for the subsequent 2 quarters.
At that point the credit expires completely.

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Old 01-05-2022, 04:19 PM   #232 (permalink)
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Yep, that's how the credit goes.

After listening to George Hotz, I don't think I'd buy another vehicle that doesn't have lane keep and adaptive cruise control. These 2 features enable his product, Comma.AI, to do self-driving, and his product is cheap (compared to the competition).

He was saying that he'd start an insurance company that only insures safe drivers, allowing his premium amounts to massively undercut the competition. While oldschool insurance will be trying to figure out if some boys are girls, he will be analyzing actual driving metrics to determine risk to a high degree of probability.

Driving assist might save money in the long term if insurance savings ends up becoming a reality.
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Old 01-05-2022, 06:18 PM   #233 (permalink)
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Why would you think the current crop of insurers do not already skim the cream? I remember many years ago being able to only be the assigned risk pool or paying twice what my car cost every year.

There have been a couple of these safe driver companies in the last 50 years, but they usually go away soon. Couple of big incidents would wipe them out but for the pool being spread out in a large population.
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Old 01-05-2022, 06:55 PM   #234 (permalink)
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https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml

Look at Toyota and Chevy for their time tables. I guess since Ford isn't listed you're good for the full credit until at least 3/31.

I love watching the comma ai videos of users on youtube. Its gotten so much better now since they released the comma 1 schematics to build your own.
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After listening to George Hotz, I don't think I'd buy another vehicle that doesn't have lane keep and adaptive cruise control. These 2 features enable his product, Comma.AI, to do self-driving, and his product is cheap (compared to the competition).
Listen to Arcimoto 2022 Roadmap: CEO Mark Frohnmayer Interview, the 28 Dec Freelancer Finance podcast and you'll never buy a car again.

Mark Frohmayer is building a platform for Comma.ai to compete for; and his robovalet (non-crew-rated drone) concept leapfrogs him ahead of Tesla.
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Why would you think the current crop of insurers do not already skim the cream? I remember many years ago being able to only be the assigned risk pool or paying twice what my car cost every year.
Insurers are relegated to clumsy metrics to assess risk such as age, sex, and credit score. If a car is monitoring what it considers ideal behavior based on scenes it's observing and compares to how the driver behaves. This is a much better metric than other proxies for driving risk. Someone often distracted by a phone, or drunk, or tired that has been lucky so far to avoid an accident would not escape the notice of a system monitoring driver attentiveness.

Since most things follow a Pareto distribution, the bottom 20% of drivers probably cause 80% of the accidents. Keep those people out of your insurance pool and you've cut a lot of the risk out.

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Listen to , the 28 Dec Freelancer Finance podcast and you'll never buy a car again.

Mark Frohmayer is building a platform for Comma.ai to compete for; and his robovalet (non-crew-rated drone) concept leapfrogs him ahead of Tesla.
I'll listen. Hotz says developing for level 5 driving is a mistake and will take a long time to get there. His strategy is do level 2 very well, turn a profit early, and keep liability with the human driver. His claim is that not insisting on driver attentiveness was a huge mistake. It's what programs good behavior in the driver. If the driver is well programmed, the software doesn't have to be 100% perfect.
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Members here reported that OSB-II peripherals that monitored their driving claimed they braked too aggressively.

I don't know a single group that should brake more conservatively.
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Hotz says developing for level 5 driving is a mistake and will take a long time to get there. His strategy is do level 2 very well, turn a profit early, and keep liability with the human driver.
I've know about Geohotz since his iPhone jailbreaking days. I like his approach and I think it's a good match for the robovalet.
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Look at Toyota and Chevy for their time tables. I guess since Ford isn't listed you're good for the full credit until at least 3/31.

I love watching the comma ai videos of users on youtube. Its gotten so much better now since they released the comma 1 schematics to build your own.
I think I saw Ford is planning on selling 200,000 mach Es in 2022 alone

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/11/cars/...ity/index.html

I'm like at least 150,000 down the list on the Lighting unless a bunch of people drop out, I wasn't expecting anything until 2024 or even 2025
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"We’ve heard a limited number of dealerships are interacting with customers in a manner that is negatively impacting customer satisfaction," they explained. "If Ford determines that a dealership is engaging in such practices, we reserve the right to redirect that dealership’s allocation of the F-150 Lightning for the entirety of the 2022 model year."

Ford gets it. They are gonna dominate this year. Gonna be interesting to watch sales on this thing.

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