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Old 07-22-2010, 11:58 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Firewolf175 View Post
It is impossible to make it work... Have you tried to build one? If so then where are the prototypes?... If you haven't tried to build what I am talking about then zip it! If you have tried then why don't we bounce ideas off of one another... By the way google ebm. It's a generator that can power itself as well as providing 4 mw of power. The commercial version puts out even more. The tech was developed back in 2000 in Hungary.

A recent (Jan. 2008) report that the company allegedly has a working 10 MW (continuous, self-sustaining, usable) prototype that is ready to go commercial turns out to have been spurious.

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Old 07-23-2010, 12:28 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 07-23-2010, 01:52 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Firewolf175 View Post
It is impossible to make it work... Have you tried to build one? If so then where are the prototypes?
Unless you can see, feel and use the tech be skeptical, as one famous individual said Perpetual Motion is impossible but you should never give up looking.

As for prototypes and many failures, look here

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They discuss things with an overly optimistic and open mind. They have been trying to get what you want but alas I have never seen a perpetual motion machine there that can be replicated and workable, but they keep trying anyway.

If you are looking to learn and don't care about the money and time, learning by doing and failing is a very effective method.

But I would recommend before you do that to remember many of us were like you at one time but found out the hard way that what you are going to do doesn't work the way you want.

We aren't just blowing our toot or trying to be hard on you.

My second recommendation, especially if you don't believe me is to go to a local electric display or fair, at ours there was always a bicycle hooked up to a generator and a series of 10 watt lightbulbs and if you could get all 10 bulbs to light (at proper briteness) for something like a minute you got an icecream cone.

If you have ever tried to make electricity by hand you would know that it takes A LOT OF EFFORT to make even a small amount of electricity.

Think about it, if a freely spinning wheel made lots of electricity why does a coal fired plant need a 100,000hp motor to make electricity?

To make even a very big wheel spin would probably only need a small lawnmower engine if there was no force against it? So why does the plant need so much power if it just takes a spinning coil of copper to make electricity?

Just think things out before you waste money you may not have and if you do procede anyway let us know how it works out.

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Old 07-23-2010, 03:49 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I have a slight disconnect in you idea.... the alternators are powering the ancilliary stuff like AC, lights, etc correct? whats powering the drive motors and won't that need plugged in to recharge?

secondly I hope you are remembering the dynamic brake principle that the greater draw you require from your Hi.Alts the more braking force they'll apply and so the harder your drive motors will have to push and so the current draw will go up. and thats where the BIG nasty spiral starts.

I love the idea, but could you show us some math? Hi.Alt output @ X speed @ Y loses. System drain when using Z devices
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Old 07-23-2010, 03:55 AM   #25 (permalink)
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The friction in your bearings, your motor (or motors, whatever) has to be overcome to make your rig move once that friction is overcome the energy used to do it is lost and it is not possible to recover it with out some really tricky quantum physics that if you mess up will cause the universe to kerplode.

When I was in middle school I thought of a similar system of using generators to regain the power used by an electric motor propelling a car. Then I realized the drag from the generators would slow the car down, so I would need more power from the motor that was getting it's power from the generator, which in turn would make more braking action. So I thought of using the generators to slow the car down and the electric motor to speed it up and a small gas motor to make the car go along. Then I read about a hybrid vehicle and thought *******s beat me to it.

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Thank you Ryan, Rob and Best climb for the technical input... That was why I made this thread. So that I can have a technical talk about it. Not to have people tell me it's impossible just because it is and not giving any technical data... Thank you guys for the adult comments instead of the childish ones I had been getting... Hopefully I will Be able to overcome the hurdles ahead of me... I will be checking this thread constantly so if you would like to continue the talks or to just bounce ideas off of one another then feel free to. But for the mean time I have to get to bed... Dogs have been walked and the mrs wants me to come to bed... Working night shift tomorrow and a 16 hour shift Saturday.
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:10 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:53 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I've built things like you are talking about and the first law of thermodynamics is what got me as well, granted I was only 15 at the time, but the stuff I made worked perfectly... aside from my lack of understanding in physics at the time, I have gone on to build alot of things that really do work, so it wasn't just my incompetence.
A high output alternator requires a higher input as well, if the input was the same then we would all be using high output alternators.
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Old 07-23-2010, 01:03 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Yes...good question, how old are you ? And why do you keep posting message after message when you can edit your other ones ?

As to your idea, IF there's no energy input, then there won't be any motion...pure and simple... I suggest you take some basic Thermodinamics classes ( you can easily do that on the internet) and please stop posting until you did that and understood it completely.
Sorry if I seem harsh, it's good to have dreams/ideas but it's also good to learn from other's mistakes instead of wasting your time and energy.

P.S. if you are Superman or some other superhero, this does not apply to you so by all means, go ahead with it !!

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Old 07-23-2010, 01:45 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Mods, can we shut down this thread and ban this guy now? This guy is obviously a troll, and he has a lot of bites. This goes right up there with the HHO scam threads.


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