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Old 06-03-2011, 12:51 AM   #11 (permalink)
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"40-mile-per-gallon models for the highway, and 50 mpg on the highway doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility"
proof reading? lol its cool still but doesn't the fiesta diesel get 65 mpg US? why not just sell those state side

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Old 06-03-2011, 03:06 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:02 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I don't think this will be a Metro / Swift clone - its got a turbo, so think more an equivalent to the VW TSI and the similar GM unit but made smaller - sort of an upsized FIAT TwinAIR.

If you want a new Swift / Metro then that is the Aygo / 106 / C1 or indeed the Suzuki Alto / Nissan Pixo as an alternative. Both are 1.0, ~70hp, 100mpg, 0-60 in 11-13 seconds and 50+ mpg.

And the Aygo has the same safety rating as the Yaris, but is ~150kg lighter (Yaris 1.0 = 1035kg, Aygo 890kg).
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its cool still but doesn't the fiesta diesel get 65 mpg US? why not just sell those state side
I've asked several times, e.g. see the 2012 Focus thread - but apparently nobody will buy them.
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how much less will purchase price be?
There are plenty of non-hybrids that cost more than hybrids.

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And will it get more than 50 mpg?
If properly designed, yes. The Insight proves that it's possible, and there should be a decade of new technology that would let a car do even better.

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And how much is the benefit of not having a battery bank worth?
Why is it a benefit? How much is the benefit of not having say an air conditioner worth? After all, the A/C system is heavy, complicated, prone to failure, and you only use it in the summer anyway, so why would anyone want one?

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Why muck it up with hybrid? The whole idea is that lightness, simplicity, and a pretty much right-sized engine do practically as well as hybrid without all the complexity and expense.
Right on. Imagine how cheaply a really simple and efficient motor could be built with current technologies. The hybrid thing sometimes looks to me as if we are being sold little test vehicles, being recruited as test pilots who pay rather than get paid. A friend with a five or six year old Prius has just woken up to the $5,000 battery replacement costs coming at her soon. She's not happy. Meanwhile I'm getting 50mpg at 55/60 on the freeway in a 1998 Civic I have driven for a decade. Still, the first gen Insight was a gorgeous little car in terms of shape. I wish we could have cars completely tailored, on a website or something. But yay for 3 cyl Fords.
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A friend with a five or six year old Prius has just woken up to the $5,000 battery replacement costs coming at her soon. She's not happy.
Your friend should really look into getting her pack repaired instead of replaced. The cost will likely be under or around $1k.

I'd start at Hybrid-Battery-Repair.
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I've asked several times, e.g. see the 2012 Focus thread - but apparently nobody will buy them.
just like no one will buy electrics
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just like no one will buy electrics
I think it is more the experience in the US is with VW only, and some Diesel trucks and older cars.

Just like Europe has very very little experience with any engine over 3.0 litres - for ordinary folks. Even our biggest (pickup stylee) trucks max out at 3.0 Diesels.
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There are plenty of non-hybrids that cost more than hybrids.



If properly designed, yes. The Insight proves that it's possible, and there should be a decade of new technology that would let a car do even better.



Why is it a benefit? How much is the benefit of not having say an air conditioner worth? After all, the A/C system is heavy, complicated, prone to failure, and you only use it in the summer anyway, so why would anyone want one?



Well, for me four seats is a large negative :-)
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