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Old 06-03-2011, 05:52 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Come on now, don't be like Thymeclock.
Are hybrids a plot to control our choices by the government ?

Wow, I learn something every day.

Except why people like iPads - that remains a mystery...

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Old 06-04-2011, 11:00 AM   #22 (permalink)
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wonder if they will make it a crate engine.
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Old 06-04-2011, 12:22 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Come on now, don't be like Thymeclock.
Oh, please! If I tried to be anything other than myself, it would be the diametric opposite :-)
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Old 06-04-2011, 12:41 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Imagine how cheaply a really simple and efficient motor could be built with current technologies.
But isn't this thinking a major factor in why US automakers haven't been able to make & sell small cars successfully? They think small car has to mean cheap car (because obviously everyone really wants as big a car as they can afford, no?), so they skimp on everything possible, including quality control, producing a cheap piece of junk that nobody wants, not because it's small, but because it's a cheap piece of junk.

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The hybrid thing sometimes looks to me as if we are being sold little test vehicles, being recruited as test pilots who pay rather than get paid.
Well, the test pilot thing was true of the Insight, which was sold for less than what it cost to build. But considering you could get an aluminum-bodied sports car for $20K new, and get over 70 mpg from it for (in my case, though I bought it used) 11 years and 150K miles since new with only minor repairs needed... Well, I'll gladly sign up to test pilot their next similar model :-)

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A friend with a five or six year old Prius has just woken up to the $5,000 battery replacement costs coming at her soon.
She's still dreaming, or else being conned. It's highly unlikely that a Prius would need a new battery after only 5-6 years. If it did need one, it should still be under warranty (IIRC 10 years/150K miles in California, 8 years, 100K miles elsewhere). If it isn't under warranty, the cost of a salvage replacement is closer to $500 than $5000.
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Sorry to repeat, the cheap and well made economy engine exists - the 3 cyl 1.0 Aygo / Yaris Toyota engine. It was, until the Tata Nano appeared and maybe even after that appeared, the lightest production car engine in the world.

They do 100k with no issues AFAIK.

The car itself is also pretty neat, has fewer issues than some costing 2-3x as much - clutches in earlier models for example - but they are also gigglingly cheap to fix - £180 all in for a new one fitted and the replacement one is larger and lasts much longer.
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I think those small car = cheap car big car = well built comments only goes for the USA's crappy auto selection
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"40-mile-per-gallon models for the highway, and 50 mpg on the highway doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility"
proof reading? lol its cool still but doesn't the fiesta diesel get 65 mpg US? why not just sell those state side
Because they won't get 65mpg over here. Maybe ~53mpg, but Ford probably can't get the volume to get them below the price of something like the larger/better equipped Prius, and most people would probably buy a larger Prius instead of a compact Ford diesel given similar pricing.
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Never heard of them in North America.
Well, this week I had to do research to find out who the hell Mitt Romney is and why he has a first name that sounds like a non-fingered glove that small children use on a snowy day

And when I did find out I wondered why I had wasted those 2 minutes used...
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