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Old 12-10-2019, 05:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ford "wants to save you money."

Ford may reintroduce actual base models, without all of the features bundled into modern cars. Apparently the CEO says that people are tired of paying for things they never use, like CD players and garage door openers. What the author and readers say will happen is each dealership will advertise it, but you won't be able to find one, you will need to pay extra for basic features, and there will always be the people insisting that they need frills like bluetooth and parking assistance: https://jalopnik.com/ford-ceos-visio...gly-1840328478

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Old 12-10-2019, 06:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That would be nice. As much as I love my Fusion Energi, there is a TON of things I dont use on it, or would be happy if it was less. For example:

Radar cruise control
Blind spot monitoring
Puddle lamps
8" screen for infotainment. (A volume control, seek and scan with a small display would be fine)
Automatic dimming rear view and drivers side mirror.
Child minder (Rear seat monitoring system, so I guess you dont forget your kids.)
The app.
4g LTE connectivity.
4 USB Plugs.. (Seriously. 1-2 is fine)
5 Microphones in the headliner, plus the additional one for bluetooth.
Lane assist
Automatic dual zone climate control. Single manual control is ok, yanno.
Blind spot monitoring
Remote start
8 way power driver and passengers seat.

Basically my Ideal fusion would have been:

Hybrid PHEV System.
Power windows/locks/mirrors
Am/FM Radio with an Aux input.
Heated front seats

Thats about it.

The OLD way ford is doing it now, Ford Fusion SE Costs $27,985, and the hybrid was $36,220. Ten grand more for a hybrid? And if you want the PHEV, youre into the SEL Energi at a cost of $38,790. Just going from Gas to a hybrid used to carry a cost of almost 10 grand, because youre going up trim levels to get it.

They have for 2020 released a Fusion Hybrid SE at a more reasonable $31,375. A difference of only $3,390. Could I save that much gas over the lifespan of the car? Totally.

To Compare: A base model Corolla LE is listed for $21,790. Its Hybrid counter part the Corolla Hybrid, is $24,790. So a difference of $4k. This seems reasonable to me because your adding in the hybrid bits. Same car, similar option package, just with the hybrid "stuck" on. Can I make up for the $5k savings in gas over the vehicles life? Probably.

That makes the cost difference between the Corolla LE and the Corolla Hybrid an easier pill to swallow.

Perhaps a better example would be when I bought my ranger. I wanted a base model extended cab, 2wd, with a locking rear differential. The only way I could get that locking rear differential was to go up to the FX4 Level II package, which would have added tend grand because it added in the automatic, the bigger 4.0 V6, six disc changer and air conditioning. All I wanted was a $500 locking differential.

Another good example was when I bought my Micra. I wanted a base model with automatic so my wife could drive it. Thats it. Thats the option I wanted. But in order to get the auto, you had to get air conditioning. I didn't want air. Too bad, you're getting it. It was a 3 grand package. But I made note.. Base micras cost $10,598, but if you fully spec them out- $19,989.. That is over $9,000 in options. The power train doesn't change. The mechanics of the car doesn't either. Its literally bling you can toss into the cabin.
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Old 12-11-2019, 02:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I've never understood why anyone buys a car off a dealer lot. What are the chances that the car on the lot is exactly the way you wanted it? If you complain that the car is not the color you wanted, or it has cloth seats and you wanted leather, the dealer will tell you it's no problem to get it painted or swap the seats out with leather for an extraordinary price. My guess is 98% of people get suckered into driving off the lot with a car that isn't exactly the way they would have wanted it, even though every manufacturer has "build your vehicle" options online.

Isn't the whole point of buying new to get exactly what you wanted?

All that said, la carte is precisely how almost every vehicle should be offered. Why should we buy what happens to be on some slimeball's lot when the exact vehicle you want is technically possible to build?

Why does adding heated steering mean I have to also add the "driver's confidence package II", and "chrome accented door handles", and "19" alloy wheels"?

Some manufacturer will unlock the la carte option, and every other manufacturer will have to adopt it or die.

As an aside rant; my least favorite option is electric seats with no memory function. Why would I want to pay more for seats that slow as molasses to adjust and failure prone? The best thing about manual seats is a full recline can be achieved in less than 1 second. The absolute only reason for electric seats to exist at all is the memory function. Having the car adjust automatically to the driver is a great idea.
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Old 12-11-2019, 04:22 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 12-11-2019, 11:40 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Some manufacturer will unlock the la carte option, and every other manufacturer will have to adopt it or die.

I think this is pretty much how the high end companies work, isn't it?

I've read a few articles about Porsche that imply you can get pretty crazy with customization from the factory.

Hasn't trickled down.


I've also read that minimizing the number available options reduces production costs, if you just produce, say, 3 versions of the vehicle instead of letting people order whatever they want.

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