Fracking ban.

[oil pan 4]

If I'm not put in a labor camp and systemically worked to death and live a long time I expect to see re-adoption of coal fired Transoceanic vessels with in my life time.

[jjackstone]

But certainly only prewashed clean coal.
JJ

[oil pan 4]

As long as the church of global warming doesn't have a Navy I say burn the cheap stuff.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by jcp123

I can't get on board with a fracking ban. The evidence is growing that it has more negatives than previously thought, but renewable energy has been somewhat slow to develop into as reliable a source as we need

https://thedailycoin.org/2018/09/08/...lurking-video/

In this episode of the Keiser Report, Max and Stacy discuss the next financial crisis lurking around the corner, according to the NYTimes and how it was Keiser Report who first warned you seven years ago that the economics of fracking makes no sense . . . at least yet, not if one is seeking a return on an investment.

Fracking may make sense on national security grounds and it certainly creates a whole load of holes in the ground as economists like Paul Krugman believe are good for the economy.

[oil pan 4]

The reason why it makes no economic sense to frack is because under Obama there was an ever present threat that some sort of fracking ban would go through.
If some one has a gas well that will produce for 10 or 20 years then it may need to be fracked to get it going, fracking may not even be an option in the future. So they frack now, not later.
The fracking boom would have leveled off once gas prices went down, but no it kept right on going because of the anti fracking crowd.
So all those useful idiots actually caused most of the fracking they were against.
The waiting list for fracking was up to 3 years at one point, one mudder of a ban could send list back to a 2 years wait.
By then you might not get to have your well done.

The same thing works with gun bans. Instead of buying one black rifle or just thinking about buying one, everyone who is even thinking about it goes out and buys 2 or 7.

[redpoint5]

That's the ridiculous thing about the gun yelling (there is no debate). The anti-gun people just encourage black gun sales (guns that are painted black) because of all their yelling.

As long as anti-gun people assume gun rights advocates are heartless murderers, and as long as gun rights advocates refuse to entertain any gun ownership vetting at all, we're left with yelling.

This whole yelling thing will be moot in 10 years anyhow when anyone can 3D print their own gun. We'll need better people then. We need better people now.

[oil pan 4]

I bought mine in 2004 for next to nothing, then sold them in 2012 to a fellow air force idiot for an absolutely stupid amount of money when it was apparent that the dems were not going to push a gun ban.
Black rifle prices are at like a 15 year low and I should be buying but I have other interests.

The NRA backed the law that now requires the instant background check by firearms dealers.
Negotiating a gun control deal with anti gun people works like this:
"We take what we can get today and will come back for the rest later".

As long as you have ammo any one can build some sort of zip gun with stuff from any local hardware store and it's perfectly legal as long as you don't sell it and are not a prohibited person. No need for a 3d printer.
People have been building guns for over 400 years, not using the latest 21st century tech isn't going to stop them.

[freebeard]

Nobodies talking about 3D printed ammo?

[Grant-53]

I live in Chemung county New York. Here by the governor's decree fracking for natural gas is banned. Just over the border six miles away fracking has been going on in Pennsylvania. None of the horror stories have come true. The gun laws prevent schools from hiring security teams the way hospitals do and are an insult to our veterans and National Guard. One does not need a 3D printer to hand load ammo.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Negotiating a gun control deal with anti gun people works like this:
"We take what we can get today and will come back for the rest later".

As long as you have ammo any one can build some sort of zip gun with stuff from any local hardware store and it's perfectly legal as long as you don't sell it and are not a prohibited person.

I'm very liberty-minded. That said, it undermines gun rights when these high-profile school shootings by children are seemingly commonplace. Whenever someone uses the "think about the children" argument, all reason goes out the window.

We require people to pass a written and skills test to drive vehicles because they are extremely dangerous when used improperly. Likewise, I find it reasonable to require the same for first time gun owners. Perhaps a portion of the very reasonably priced licensing fee should also go towards a trigger lock. The owner could use it or not. Ideally firearms would be stored in a combination safe.

That won't prevent bad people from behaving badly, but sends the message that we take gun ownership seriously. Who knows if this would significantly reduce the number of kids that accidentally shoot themselves, purposely kill themselves, or purposely kill others, but it seems to me our streets are safer by requiring a certain skill level to drive. Otherwise, we would just get rid of the DMV altogether.

Regarding people always being able to produce their own weapons; that's true, but most people are lazy. If they have to go through some extra effort then they probably won't do it.

Reminds me of this- Warning, there is an F-bomb dropped here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrFVtmRXrw