Friends do not let friends buy Volkswagons

[Xist]

According to that, GMC is more reliable than Honda, Chevrolet is more reliable than Acura, but Pontiac, Buick, Cadillac, Saturn, and Isuzu are decreasingly reliable, with the last one being terrible!

Lexus and Toyota never break down while Scion is mediocre. Lincoln, Mercury, and Ford are weak, while Nissan is not much better, but Infiniti sure is! Mitsubishi is better than everyone but Lexus and Toyota, GMC and Chevrolet, Infiniti, Acura, and Honda. Hyundai is bad, but Kia is worse! Audi is bad, but Volkswagen is worse, worse than everything but Jaguar and MINI!

MINI is atrocious!

Overall, the Chrysler family is more reliable than Ford!

[Xist]

So, a tall weird girl started working at the bakery a couple of weeks ago.

I lost my monopoly on tall and weird!

I realized the other day that she drove a Beetle. I asked about it and she told me that it was cute several times, but told me that they were prone to expensive repairs.

[ninetynineSC2]

I wonder when this was done.

They must have measured Saturn after GM started forcing them to have the same rebadged crap as every other GM manufacturer. I know many people with 300K+ miles on their S Series Saturn with no rebuilds and many, many others that would say they're the most reliable car they've ever had.

I've also seen personally many more Toyotas/Lexus broken down on the side of the road than any other car.

[Ecky]

Honda has the issue of having several rebadged cars in their fleet (Passport) being averaged in with their own cars. Chevy has a rebadged Toyota, etc. etc.

[320touring]

My 6n polo needed a new reg plate and a mall bit of welding to get another year's MOT

Not bad for such a small spend

[Ecky]

Also, I would imagine drivers effect the overall reliability of vehicles. For instance, Scion is marketed toward young people and will probably be driven harder than your average Lexus.

Did the Acura CL share transmissions with the Accord V6?

[jcp123]

Originally Posted by ninetynineSC2

They must have measured Saturn after GM started forcing them to have the same rebadged crap as every other GM manufacturer. I know many people with 300K+ miles on their S Series Saturn with no rebuilds and many, many others that would say they're the most reliable car they've ever had.

My brother's SL was toast at 85k miles. Saturn and reliability...yeah, not so much.

[roosterk0031]

Sold a 97 SL1 to my uncle after I put 100,000 miles on it (150,000 total) in 03, he's still driving it. Other than deer imposed hood damage still looks the same.

[darcane]

Originally Posted by Xist

According to that, GMC is more reliable than Honda, Chevrolet is more reliable than Acura, but Pontiac, Buick, Cadillac, Saturn, and Isuzu are decreasingly reliable, with the last one being terrible!

Lexus and Toyota never break down while Scion is mediocre. Lincoln, Mercury, and Ford are weak, while Nissan is not much better, but Infiniti sure is! Mitsubishi is better than everyone but Lexus and Toyota, GMC and Chevrolet, Infiniti, Acura, and Honda. Hyundai is bad, but Kia is worse! Audi is bad, but Volkswagen is worse, worse than everything but Jaguar and MINI!

MINI is atrocious!

Overall, the Chrysler family is more reliable than Ford!

It's an index. 100 doesn't mean zero failures, it means that it is the brand with the lowest failure rate, and all the other brands are compared against it.

Also, his data is compiled from dealer wholesale auctions of trade-in vehicles. While this is a good attempt at collecting unbiased data, there are undoubtedly some flaws with the methodology. For instance, cars that have failed catastrophically and dealers place no trade-in value on it, so they had to go to a junkyard instead.

That said, it appears to be more informative about long-term reliability than any other source I've found.

You can look at each manufacturer to see which models are better or worse as well. For example, Honda Passport (rebadged Isuzu) has lower than average quality, while all other models are above average. He mentioned that they are working on further dividing models by year to get a feel for which years are better than others.

[ninetynineSC2]

Originally Posted by jcp123

My brother's SL was toast at 85k miles. Saturn and reliability...yeah, not so much.

Almost twice that on mine currently.

Apparently 300K 400K 500K miles is not so much? I wonder what he/previous owners did to that SL?.... A favorite saying on the saturn forum is that they don't die, people kill them, must be a reason for that.