08-31-2012, 04:02 PM
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No description of the science? No research report? No EPA-approved test methodology? Stated goal of relying on lots and lots of testimonials for marketing (surely many testimonials outweigh the weakness of testimonial evidence in general)?
It appears the major questions/concerns raised in this discussion went over your head or are deemed not important.
You may sell a truckload, but I bet you won't find (m)any takers around here.
Best of luck with your business!
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08-31-2012, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Susanne
AeroHance is not based upon 1 testimonial, nor was I the one who posted it here. The press piece - [link to site removed by admin - Google Gaspods, if you like ] - that precipitated this thread gave the following results based upon logging mileage for a minimum - note that all drove much further - of 2,000 miles of driving with and without GasPods on their car. And ranged in results from 1.65% through 11.83%. That is representative of the spread we're seeing so far.
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If that's representative of the spread you're seeing, that observed spread simply isn't representative at all.
A gazillion of factors influence fuel consumption.
Singling out one, is pretty hard to do.
Generally, half the % of drag reduction achieved, is fairly close to the % reduction in fuel consumption.
There's simply no way those gaspods are reducing aerodynamic drag by 20+ % ...
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08-31-2012, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MetroMPG
No description of the science? No research report? No EPA-approved test methodology? Stated goal of relying on lots and lots of testimonials for marketing (surely many testimonials outweigh the weakness of testimonial evidence in general)?
It appears the major questions/concerns raised in this discussion went over your head or are deemed not important.
You may sell a truckload, but I bet you won't find (m)any takers around here.
Best of luck with your business!
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Well - if the adminstrator chooses to remove my link to research, but leave up another's link to testimonials, there is not much I can do to show more.
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08-31-2012, 05:05 PM
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If you have any substantive research / scientific info to share (your web site's "research" page doesn't really qualify), you are sincerely more than welcome to post links.
We would welcome more information than is currently available on your web site!
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08-31-2012, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Susanne
AeroHance is not based upon 1 testimonial, nor was I the one who posted it here. The press piece - [link to site removed by admin - Google Gaspods, if you like ] - that precipitated this thread gave the following results based upon logging mileage for a minimum - note that all drove much further - of 2,000 miles of driving with and without GasPods on their car. And ranged in results from 1.65% through 11.83%. That is representative of the spread we're seeing so far.
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Take a look at my fuel logs here or on fuelly. Notice how my mileage varies by a whole heck of a lot? Lots of things cause fuel consumption variation, like temperature, traffic conditions and driving technique. Frankly, 11% is in the noise, and well in the range of PLACEBO.
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Our company is transparent, and as more results come in, and time allows good and bad results will be posted to AeroHance.com. Our goal is to have the broadest cross section of data upon which to grow as we can. I trust that some will get over their initial glee at having a new kid on the block to throw stones at, and join in. [Link to site removed by admin - Google Gaspods, if you like. ]
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Transparent, maybe, but not forthright. If you don't have A-B-A data, just say so, but we already know you don't by the way you keep deflecting the inquiry.
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08-31-2012, 05:58 PM
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Well - if the adminstrator chooses to remove my link to research, but leave up another's link to testimonials, there is not much I can do to show more.
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Susanne,
Go find a Hill that is steep enough for you to reach ≈50MPH over 1/4 to 3/4 mile, start coasting your car down it by either A) releasing the break at a start point, or B) be going a certain speed when you pass a start point (5-10mph).
Coast down the hill and either A) measure the speed you're going when you pass another landmark, or B) Measure how long it takes to get to your 50MPH to Stop your timed/measured distance run.
Now Put your GasPods by AeroHance (I try to mention that as much as possible to bump the Google rating of this thread BTW) on your car, and repeat the process, use 2 or 3 different cars, do this 3 to 4 times with each car. Alternating GasPods On/GasPods Off. Once you get the hang of it, you’ll have a trial done every 5 - 10 minutes. Best if it’s a calm day. Inflate the tires on the cars to at least 40psi for the test. Within a few hours of testing this way, you'll have quantifiable results that show whether GasPods © by AeroHance ™ really work or not.
It’s clear that if you have the GasPods on, and it takes less time to reach 50MPH, or you are going faster when you pass your end point, then the GasPods are working.
So in the amount of time you have spent typing your posts in here and reading (I really hope you did read what we're trying to say here) our posts, you could have wrapped this up.
And here's the best part......I bet you MetroMPGs solid wheel covers, that if you came here with the raw data, there are folks in here who would kill each other for the opportunity to analyze it for you and tell you to the nearest 2 decimal places exactly what the numbers mean. Cause that's just the kinda people there are around here.
So, you say there's not much more you can do?
I think not.
(Unless as I posted previously you already did this and it shows practically no difference)
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08-31-2012, 09:33 PM
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GasPods © by AeroHance ™
GasPods by AeroHance
GasPods AeroHance
Adding tags now.
GasPods AeroHance !
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09-01-2012, 02:21 PM
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LOL. Doing it like this, you might trip Google's bots into SPAM MODE which will make them ignore this thread altogether.
Back on topic.
Susanne, showing testimonials instead of hard numbers, you're not going to get a lot of positive feedback at this forum. And the "testing" that you provided can't really be called "hard numbers" as it was hardly rigorous at all.
Maybe you'd like to market my cardboard and duct tape aero-modification, that gave a whopping 15% FE improvement on my car? Only it didn't, I just drove the care more carefully. But hey, this would make a great testimonial, wouldn't it?
Still, I think many of us here are eagerly awaiting facts, numbers and graphs regarding AeroHance GasPods. We really love those things. Not testimonials.
Regards
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Reason: added product name for google relevancy :)
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09-01-2012, 06:41 PM
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Very entertaining thread!
I wonder if I installed little bumps on my keel,would I win more sailboat races?Maybe I could sew little bumps onto my sails.Yeah thats the ticket!
Phil
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09-01-2012, 07:03 PM
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GasPods © by AeroHance ™
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GasPods AeroHance !
GasPods © by AeroHance ™
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GasPods © by AeroHance ™
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LOL!
She'll find a few suckers- maybe many, who knows- but the EM boys here have pretty much laid out the facts as we know them and all indications are this is a unicorn and real data will not be forthcoming (as usual ).
Last edited by Frank Lee; 09-02-2012 at 04:59 AM..
Reason: removed excess cruelty
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