A gift for HHO Skeptics!

[samwichse]

Same totally real lab that "independently" tested a magical fuel vaporizer AND a magical fuel catalyst and found they are totally legit and real.

[oil pan 4]

The thing with hho is if it were going to work I would expect it to have the most effect on gas engines and the least effect on diesel engines.

[Air-Hybrid]

Came across this and wanted to share:
"Typically [on-the-road diesel efficiency gains] are in the 2% to 8% range with clean engines burning quality fuel, however I have seen some tests regularly achieve over 10% and up to 20% with older vehicles" - HHO Injection Diesels by Mark Dansie

"Mark Dansie is a well-known Free Energy skeptic who makes dozens of flights each year to go around the world and check out various technologies."

In other words, Mark sounds like a decent guy and not one who'd want to support HHO and I can't help liking the way he comes over in interviews I've seen.

So, what's really going on?

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by Air-Hybrid

Came across this and wanted to share:
"Typically [on-the-road diesel efficiency gains] are in the 2% to 8% range with clean engines burning quality fuel, however I have seen some tests regularly achieve over 10% and up to 20% with older vehicles" - HHO Injection Diesels by Mark Dansie

"Mark Dansie is a well-known Free Energy skeptic who makes dozens of flights each year to go around the world and check out various technologies."

In other words, Mark sounds like a decent guy and not one who'd want to support HHO and I can't help liking the way he comes over in interviews I've seen.

So, what's really going on?

???
He is going round the world promoting this stuff.
What leads you to think that he is sceptical? He may well be so deep into snake oil that he needs to swim up regularly to breathe.

[Air-Hybrid]

No, he spends his time debunking nonsense like Free Energy devices. He's not in the promoting game. ... So I can't see why he'd put his reputation at risk by saying HHO is (just about) improving things unless he has seen the data.

It seems possible to me that, on diesels especially, hydrogen (even in HHO form) can clean up emissions but not that it can improve mileage.

And I suppose I want to know why I'm wrong there.

[RedDevil]

Have to say the article is really well written.
And actually I do think Browns gas can aid combustion in diesel engines under some conditions. Just not all conditions.

We know plain water vapour can have a benificial effect - under some conditions. I would expect Browns gas to do well under those conditions too, maybe even under a wider range of conditions.
But there's no magic to that.

If you have to factor in the energy needed to provide the gas there may be too little left to make it worthwhile.
Water vapour at least is easy to generate.

[Hersbird]

The biggest thing that stands out on that diesel rundown is the admission it increases NOx. VW got the same results with tuning, better power, better efficiency, but at the expense of NOx on their diesel engines. So it looks to me like the HHO is just fooling the tune.

I still put out I would love to see what manufactures could do if they didn't have rules.

[oil pan 4]

Look to the aftermarket to see what modern diesels can do with out government mandated junk.
I have to say if it wasn't for government mandated emissions we may still be using mechanical injection P-pumps and rotory pumps. No fancy CP3 or funky ford hydraulic driven injection systems like on the 6.Oh no and 7.3 power stroke.

Diesel emissions are improved with regular water injection. No need for fancy do nothing hho garbage.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

The biggest thing that stands out on that diesel rundown is the admission it increases NOx. VW got the same results with tuning, better power, better efficiency, but at the expense of NOx on their diesel engines. So it looks to me like the HHO is just fooling the tune.

I still put out I would love to see what manufactures could do if they didn't have rules.

I work for a truck manufacturer. We would love to increase fuel economy 5% with HHO if it worked AND we could meet required emission requirements. However it doesn't work. As you mentioned to get improved fuel economy you have to use tuning that fails emissions. It is a deadend for ligitimate companies.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Look to the aftermarket to see what modern diesels can do with out government mandated junk.
I have to say if it wasn't for government mandated emissions we may still be using mechanical injection P-pumps and rotory pumps. No fancy CP3 or funky ford hydraulic driven injection systems like on the 6.Oh no and 7.3 power stroke.

Diesel emissions are improved with regular water injection. No need for fancy do nothing hho garbage.

That "government mandated junk" is what keeps our cities from looking like the smog choked hellholes you find in the developing world. It is telling to be in a factory and watch a US spec truck fire up compared to the export trucks without even a particulate filter.