GM: Won't let "green car stuff" get out of hand

[robchalmers]

Originally Posted by evolutionmovement

WARNING: VW RANT BELOW

the wiring is circuit-board gauge and attached to substandard material unable to take underhood heat (2 year old cars with headlight connectors that crumble in the hand—big surprise I don't think I've ever seen a 6 month or older one with all its lights working)

Never Had seen or had problems with that.

Originally Posted by evolutionmovement

every other kind of electrical issue, cooling systems are undersized, and the engineering a joke (try just changing a taillight on a New Beetle).

Yep - simple! tried changeing a headlight bulb on an 06 malibu? I can change a one in mk5 rabit one handed in under 30sec with no tools, the malibu rent-a-shed I gave up after 30mins of scrabbling on the carpark went the manuals gave no-help.

Originally Posted by evolutionmovement

They also purposely make them so that they are as time consuming as possible to fix. 10 hours labor for an alternator (that died at an unacceptable 55k miles—250k in the Subaru and a 15 minute job) located top front on an engine? Yes, because a special "superior German engineered" fastener is used ).

????? B*llocks, seriously, RUBBISH got a pic?

Originally Posted by evolutionmovement

I've also worked on American cars and, while they seem slapped together at the last minute and generally built to a price, there is nothing to compare to the outright sadism of VW (who save their only quality components for the interior). Hitler's revenge.

wow step too far there mate.

Originally Posted by evolutionmovement

they'd still be handicapped by their cheap electrical systems and evil engineers.

as I used to work in engineering in VW on exterior and hardware, cheers, I'm evil and saddistic Frankly I think this is a little bit of a personal thing with you, did a beetle run over you as a kid or something???

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

james, your post #41 is complete crap. Evidently you never had contact with any of the **** the Brits shipped over here.

Sorry, but you're just wrong about that. I've owned a Sunbeam Alpine, a '55 Jaguar, and an Austin-Healey Sprite, and driven/worked on many other British sports cars. And owned/driven some of the American competition of the period - the '59 Chevy I learned to drive on (I still remember how I longed to take a cutting torch and remove all the extraneous sheet metal, like a trunk that I could damn near have parked the Sprite in), a '66 Pontiac GTO, and others I'd as soon not remember.

There's just no comparison in the driving. As for build quality, I personally had the front suspension come off a '60s Chevy at speed, saw many acquaintances drop transmissions & rear ends, etc. What's a few - ok, a lot :-) - of electrical problems compared to that?