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Old 03-08-2019, 01:36 PM   #41 (permalink)
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What year did they stop making the manual HCH1?

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What year did they stop making the manual HCH1?
HCH1 went from 2003 to 2005. The 2nd gen HCH (2006-2011, I think) was junk (FE was barely better than non-hybrid and batteries failed worse on them than any other hybrid). 3rd gen HCH (2012-2015, I think) had lithium hybrid batteries and is pretty solid.
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I'm telling you, nobody wants to be jerked around town in a manual. It's fine for commuting, but you won't see any taxis using a manual.

The Prius is among the most reliable vehicles out there. As already stated, there's a reason they are used as taxis.
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I'm telling you, nobody wants to be jerked around town in a manual. It's fine for commuting, but you won't see any taxis using a manual.

The Prius is among the most reliable vehicles out there. As already stated, there's a reason they are used as taxis.
If you know how to drive a manual properly, it isn't jerky.

Agree, the Prius is an excellent choice for taxis and all the miles they drive..
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Not true. There's zero way to operate a manual as smoothly as an auto. You're accelerating, then let off the throttle and put in the clutch to shift. Your acceleration goes slightly negative then and the person rocks forward. Then you start applying throttle again and they get pressed back again.

I'm extremely good at driving a stick, and even as careful as I could be, have noticed my passengers rocking about as I shift. It isn't so perceptible to the driver because they are prepared for it since they are doing the shifting.
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HCH1 went from 2003 to 2005.
It doesnít make any sense to buy a car just one model year newer than mine lol

My car currently averages about 20mpg in commercial use, and Iím hoping to drive at least 500 miles a weekend once I start driving for both platforms... last few sets of days off Iíve been driving 2-300miles plus the commute, but those were weekday evenings and nights which arenít nearly as busy as weekends...

I canít disagree that I need to try and find a nice G3 Prius but I still havenít found it yet
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Not true. There's zero way to operate a manual as smoothly as an auto. You're accelerating, then let off the throttle and put in the clutch to shift. Your acceleration goes slightly negative then and the person rocks forward. Then you start applying throttle again and they get pressed back again.

I'm extremely good at driving a stick, and even as careful as I could be, have noticed my passengers rocking about as I shift. It isn't so perceptible to the driver because they are prepared for it since they are doing the shifting.
I suppose, although I haven't noticed that much of a difference. I generally think of manual drivers as being better drivers in general and less likely to jerk around while driving, but I could be wrong. A good manual driver wouldn't be much different from an average auto driver, but if it's the same driver then yeah, the auto would be "smoother".

Although I wouldn't care.
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It doesnít make any sense to buy a car just one model year newer than mine lol
Lol, why not?

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My car currently averages about 20mpg in commercial use, and Iím hoping to drive at least 500 miles a weekend once I start driving for both platforms... last few sets of days off Iíve been driving 2-300miles plus the commute, but those were weekday evenings and nights which arenít nearly as busy as weekends...

I canít disagree that I need to try and find a nice G3 Prius but I still havenít found it yet
If you drive a lot, the Prius is a really nice vehicle. My mom drives ~25k miles/year has an '08 Prius. It has a TON of room and she's been getting mid-40s MPG without hypermiling, in winter driving and with new tires, both of which negatively affect FE.

My hypermiling only got 50 MPG in the same conditions, so for lots of driving without hypermiling the Prius is an excellent choice.

Only downside really to a Prius is if you don't drive much and thus don't see a lot of the fuel savings benefit.
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Others have mentioned, you could get a steal of a deal on a TDI cheat-diesel. I hate working on VWs though, and they always seem to develop problems at a certain age.

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I suppose, although I haven't noticed that much of a difference. I generally think of manual drivers as being better drivers in general and less likely to jerk around while driving, but I could be wrong. A good manual driver wouldn't be much different from an average auto driver, but if it's the same driver then yeah, the auto would be "smoother".

Although I wouldn't care.
I don't care myself, and I prefer manuals. I'm just thinking from the perspective of a passenger. If passengers are allowed to drink a beverage for instance, that can be annoying in a manual. I once drove a couple young women in my Acura, and their comment seeing a manual was "ewww, weird". Younger people aren't impressed with manuals.

... and try being a passenger in a manual car and really pay attention to how smooth it is. Night and day difference from being the driver.
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I don't care myself, and I prefer manuals. I'm just thinking from the perspective of a passenger. If passengers are allowed to drink a beverage for instance, that can be annoying in a manual. I once drove a couple young women in my Acura, and their comment seeing a manual was "ewww, weird". Younger people aren't impressed with manuals.

... and try being a passenger in a manual car and really pay attention to how smooth it is. Night and day difference from being the driver.
Hm, true I suppose. The only time I rode as a passenger in my Insight was when my dad was driving it for a bit, and he was having to get used to the insanely tall gearing lol.

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