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Old 02-08-2011, 12:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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HHO or Brown's gas

I have built a pretty good electrolyzer and can create the gas. I also now understand it a lot better due to recent documents obtained thru a friend.
Understanding why and how it works has led me to a possible solution to running a vehicle on just HHO not as an additive.

First and foremost, browns gas or (atomic hydrogen /oxygen) causes an implosion not an explosion. How can an implosion improve the burning of fuel as an additive? Right, it can't...HHO myth number one exposed

secondly the ice has to be redesigned to run on HHO or brown's gas....
The modification shouldn't be all that difficult but I need help with this.
Implosion in cylinder at BDC (firing) should pull cylinder up. It would become a 2 stroke engine as no compression stroke is needed and power stroke is combined with exhaust stroke...

Intake of HHO as piston is going from tdc to bdc, firing at bdc and exhausting small amount of steam or water just before tdc.

Could a duel OHcam be modified to do this? gears reduced in size to open and close intake and exhaust ports twice each cycle???

Please help with this...I am not a mechanic although I have some Knowledge, and I am not a machinist...or electronics specialist...Probably all of the above to put this together. I have Stan Meyers' original documents...copies of course...

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First and foremost, browns gas or (atomic hydrogen /oxygen) causes an implosion not an explosion. How can an implosion improve the burning of fuel as an additive? Right, it can't...HHO myth number one exposed
Chemically, the reaction results in a reduction in volume compared to the starting situation - 2 gases forming a liquid.
If you forget about the heat, and there's lots of heat.

Physically however, the gas being formed (water) is heated so much that the volume is greatly and violently expanded.
Hence, it's an explosion in the real world.

No-one will claim that Challenger imploded .


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This is rediculous.
It won't - see above.
You can't get rid of the heat quickly enough to get the implosion you claim.
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My experiments prove otherwise. an implosion does occur. I created a combustion chamber out of 2 inch pipe, attached a balloon and there was an implosion sucking the balloon into the tube...As far as heat is concerned there is very little evidence of heat in any of my experiments. Do you know the difference in HHO (hydroxy gas) and brown's gas (atomic HHO) I am sure you do not by your comment...The challenger uses HHO (hydroxy) and yes it did explode. A brown's gas torch works on different principal. It uses atomic hydrogen/oxygen. This is why these torches operate at about 270 degreesF
yet will melt tungsten at 6000F. Atomic reaction of hydrogen atoms with the material you are welding. Do some research before you criticize my work.....

I am fine tuning my electrolizer hopefully to work with just water...
This is why I asked if there was someone skilled in electronics interested in my project.
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If it creates and implosion when at BDC, the most I think it can create is absolute vacuum of 0 psi, atmosphereric pressure will push on the bottom of the piston with a pressure of 14 psi to push the piston back up(down in the Newcomen engine). Not much pressure differential to do much work.

Newcomen steam engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But I know nothing about brown gases or most everything else your talking about.
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...what, another HHO hoax?
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I have built a pretty good electrolyzer and can create the gas. I also now understand it a lot better due to recent documents obtained thru a friend.
Understanding why and how it works has led me to a possible solution to running a vehicle on just HHO not as an additive.

First and foremost, browns gas or (atomic hydrogen /oxygen) causes an implosion not an explosion. How can an implosion improve the burning of fuel as an additive? Right, it can't...HHO myth number one exposed

secondly the ice has to be redesigned to run on HHO or brown's gas....
The modification shouldn't be all that difficult but I need help with this.
Implosion in cylinder at BDC (firing) should pull cylinder up. It would become a 2 stroke engine as no compression stroke is needed and power stroke is combined with exhaust stroke...

Intake of HHO as piston is going from tdc to bdc, firing at bdc and exhausting small amount of steam or water just before tdc.

Could a duel OHcam be modified to do this? gears reduced in size to open and close intake and exhaust ports twice each cycle???

Please help with this...I am not a mechanic although I have some Knowledge, and I am not a machinist...or electronics specialist...Probably all of the above to put this together. I have Stan Meyers' original documents...copies of course...
Water and Hydrogen injection into the intake manifold has been shown to improve FE which is essentially all that the electrolyzers accomplish. The only scam about HHO is the people selling them for more than the $5-$20 in parts and claiming they improve your FE by more than 10%.

If you need a 2 stroke ICE to run off of water you would be better off starting with something that is already on a 2 stroke cycle.

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I have built a pretty good electrolyzer and can create the gas.
What performance specifications have you achieved?

What kg of water input electrolyzed per hour?
What electrical input per hour?

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Understanding why and how it works has led me to a possible solution to running a vehicle on just HHO not as an additive.
If your source of electricity comes from RE it will be cleaner than Gasoline.

A BEV will travel further on the same amount of input electricity... ICE efficiency it very low.

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As far as heat is concerned there is very little evidence of heat in any of my experiments.
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A brown's gas torch works on different principal. It uses atomic hydrogen/oxygen. This is why these torches operate at about 270 degreesF
Can't have it both ways ... if the chemical reaction produces heat in the torch ... the same chemical reaction will produce heat in an ICE.

Correction to your post:
'brown's gas' torches can produce flame temperatures up to 2,800 Degrees C ( 5,072 F ) when premixed in a 2:1 ratio with pure oxygen... 270 is on the extremely low end.
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Actually some of his comments are somewhat truthfull,

Hydrogen does implode briefly before exploding, given the time your engine piston is moving up and down this does actually affect timing greatly, the Hydrogen sucks up a little then blows it back down. This is known by people that have worked with hydrogen cars (not HHO) I have no doubt that if you could run an HHO only car it would be the same behavior.

Also Hydrogen has an unusual behavior in regards to heat, although it produces a very high temperature locally, that temperature is not transmitted very far, holding your hand a relatively small distance away from the torch is warm but doesn't burn you like a normal torch would at the same distance.

I have personally watched someone "weld" glass together with a hydrogen torch, it melts when in direct contact with the torch and doesn't pool like you normally would get, somewhat interesting for real welding also.

So he is half right on some of his comments. I wouldn't mind having an HHO torch myself, no fantasy that it would burn and melt stuff.

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