Honda Del Sol 50MPG goal

[cleanspeed1]

Do you still have the built motor in her?

[wagonef8]

Built motor is in my Civic Wagon Del sol has non Vtec D16 from a 99 civic Dx

[cleanspeed1]

Originally Posted by wagonef8

Built motor is in my Civic Wagon Del sol has non Vtec D16 from a 99 civic Dx

Thanks for clearing that up. That kinda changes things a bit. Since you have the non VTEC motor, you could put an adjustable sprocket on the stock cam and play around with the phasing so that it boosts the bottom end torque, or if you give my guy a call he can grind a cam that will do exactly what you want. When you look at some of the threads that deal with the Geo Metro XFi cam swap ( just pop "Xfi cam swap" into the search engine on this site ) and see what effect it has when just done alone, it's worth doing the same thing to any motor.

If we are really honest, most of the time we don't max out our cars to warrant the kind of powerbands that are usually made into our gasoline engines. We usually operate idle to 4000 rpms most of the time. That's why getting a cam made that will put the torque way low, like a diesel, will force you to drive low in the range similiar to what a trucker does. Doing the cam swap even before you do the trans swap will boost the economy especially if you combine it with some good tuning ( Hondata anyone? ) Then when you do the transmission swap, the engine will be more closely matched to the new transmission ratios.

Here's the info for the cam grinder I like, HOME

The more details you give him, the better. If you can get cylinder head flow data for your engine ( either get it online or get a used head and get the numbers from .050"-.500" valve lift ), give it to him.

What you want amounts to a high torque truck style cam.

Put maximum torque around 2500 rpms and let the hp fall where it may. With the taller gears in the VX trans, even if you revved it out to 4500 rpms, you'll be doing well over 100 plus miles and hour.

[wagonef8]

Really don't want to get in to cam grinding first some Aero mods and hope to be in the mid 40MPG then a Tranny swap and last I might put the Turbo kit from my crx for torque for tuning I have a NEPTUNE ECU might play with fuel ratio and lean it out a little

[Ecky]

What does he charge for cam grinds and how does he calculate where it'll move the torque curve? Can he calculate how much of an advance or retard is useful too?

[cleanspeed1]

Originally Posted by Ecky

What does he charge for cam grinds and how does he calculate where it'll move the torque curve? Can he calculate how much of an advance or retard is useful too?

Depends on the motor, whether or not you want a fresh core or regrind. His company has proprietary software that does the detail work. Been around a long, long time doing work for literally everyone from the OEMs to Formula 1.

Give Mike a call and tell him what you want to do.

[wagonef8]

Here we go again ready to start playing with my Insight I will be adding Mugen Zero lift kit and drop springs and lighter wheels


Mugen zero lift kit

And just order springs and camber kit