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Old 11-01-2020, 02:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The primary problem is that people are being motivated to waste money to place their very flammable cheaply built McMansion in unlivable places.

If they want to builD fireproof homes with no insurance or cheap stuff built like a Native American in the 1500’s have at her, if not keep the f out.

Most of these places are in the middle of non-maintained federal lands that are meant to burn Every 10-30 years, if people want to live in a burn region they shouldn’t be able to have insurance and should be told point blank what sacrifices would need to be made to live in a burn zone. (Which likely isn’t compatible with a stick built composite tinder box)


The next crisis is that we are 70 years overdue for a “Valley” 100 year flood which will wipe out anything not 40 feet above the median level. Native Americans have provided what to watch for and how high to expect, experts have been watching but don’t think there will be enough warning to get people let alone livestock out of the area.
Pretty much got it. Have you ever seen the house hunter shows people will go look at a house, doesn't matter if it's on a few acres or a half acre, all too often the house will be shoved in the back of the lot to where the back door opens up to overgrown woods? (It's usually on the westcoast)

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Old 11-06-2020, 01:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The primary problem is that people are being motivated to waste money to place their very flammable cheaply built McMansion in unlivable places.

If they want to builD fireproof homes with no insurance or cheap stuff built like a Native American in the 1500’s have at her, if not keep the f out.

Most of these places are in the middle of non-maintained federal lands that are meant to burn Every 10-30 years, if people want to live in a burn region they shouldn’t be able to have insurance and should be told point blank what sacrifices would need to be made to live in a burn zone. (Which likely isn’t compatible with a stick built composite tinder box)


The next crisis is that we are 70 years overdue for a “Valley” 100 year flood which will wipe out anything not 40 feet above the median level. Native Americans have provided what to watch for and how high to expect, experts have been watching but don’t think there will be enough warning to get people let alone livestock out of the area.

I've been reading recently that the amount of burn prevention and firefighting we have may be making fires worse. Prevent small burns, things accumulate and eventually a fire is unpreventable and much larger. The logic is sound. But, what do you do?
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The logic is sound. But, what do you do?
Fight fire with fire?

Let it all BURN!!
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It's a travesty this has only been viewed 110k times.
To quote my self.
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I've been reading recently that the amount of burn prevention and firefighting we have may be making fires worse. Prevent small burns, things accumulate and eventually a fire is unpreventable and much larger. The logic is sound. But, what do you do?
  • Forest Thinning
  • Prescribed Burns
  • Let remote fires burn
  • End the structure protection model of fire fighting
  • Strong building codes for the Urban / Forest boundary

The solutions aren't hard but the politics sure are.
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Plus everything JSH said.
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The problem is the voters think they want "wild pristine forest" which is in reality an over grown mess begging for a fire in any of the drier climate zones and politicians want a fire fighting industry that allows said politicians to spend money and make it look like they are accomplishing something.
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The problem is the voters think they want "wild pristine forest" which is in reality an over grown mess begging for a fire in any of the drier climate zones and politicians want a fire fighting industry that allows said politicians to spend money and make it look like they are accomplishing something.
Agreed. Plus the timber industry wants to clear cut instead of thin forests.
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Yes they clear cut, then the lumber company has 2 ways they grow it back. 1 way is just leave a few mature seed trees behind or replant saplings in rows. Either way everything grows back like crazy for about the next 6 years, trust me all the forest critters want to hang out in the young forest when everything is between 3 and 8 feet tall. Then at some point foresters come in and thin it out so the lumber trees can grow. They repeatedly come back and remove undergrowth.
Also trim the lumber trees so they grow straight and produce higher value wood.
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Tree planting drones and airship harvesting. C'mon people*, it's not rocket science.

*Not you all.

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