How to Use Less Fuel (yet another HHO thread, lacking substantive evidence)

[greenfuelbooster]

Again, if you or anybody you know/trust in the VA/DC/MD ... let me know. We can drive 150+ miles and compare highway MPG.

[mwebb]

Originally Posted by mwebb

you MAY NOT use this paper / PDF to justify your.... claims
or shall i say ($700) HOAX ?

because
the paper refers to the test results showing benefits of HYDROGEN injection into a lean burn single cylinder engine.

but
you claim to be using HHO called by you HYDROXY otherwise known as browns gas .

it is NOT HYDROGEN it is two molecules of hydrogen with one molecule of 0xygen AND what ever clings on left over from the process you are using for electrolysis . ..

Hydrogen works, HHO does not .

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Again, if you or anybody you know/trust in the VA/DC/MD ... let me know. We can drive 150+ miles and compare highway MPG."

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ummm ok
so just how would that justify you using a paper regarding Hydrogen injection as validation for your claims regarding "HYDROXY" or HHO or Browns gas ?

have you sent an oil sample to Blackstone labs ? yet ?
what EXACT oil are you using ?

[greenfuelbooster]

I thought the paper just said one can get up to 40% thermal efficiency with hydrogen injection. The oxidizer oxygen comes from the air intake. Well, electrolyzed water produces hydrogen and oxygen gases and added to the air intake.

My original assertion was the setup in the air intake gains better highway MPG. Hydroxy is only used to regain lost power. I am not sure if you are reading or interpreting my posts correctly.

[Baggage Handler #2]

Originally Posted by greenfuelbooster

Restrict air after the MAF sensor. This will make the car think it is driving at high altitude. At high altitude there is less air. The ECU is forced to inject less fuel.

This was the original assertion, I believe.

The rest got glommed on later.

[mwebb]

Originally Posted by greenfuelbooster

I thought the paper just said one can get up to 40% thermal efficiency with hydrogen injection. The oxidizer oxygen comes from the air intake. Well, electrolyzed water produces hydrogen and oxygen gases and added to the air intake.

My original assertion was the setup in the air intake gains better highway MPG. Hydroxy is only used to regain lost power. I am not sure if you are reading or interpreting my posts correctly.

i believe i understand
i just disagree

both of your alleged improvements have been shown to not do what you claim they do

i too have been following the HHO HOAX for some time ....beginning with the efforts and discussions and test results of Stan Meyers and many who attempted to duplicate those results , with out success
it is a well thrashed topic on IATn .

and
you do not know what you do not know regarding the intake restriction

2 strikes
care for another ?

[greenfuelbooster]

I think it got glommed after I mention hydroxy booster. In fact the hydroxy booster on my 06 Civic did not increase MPG highway nor city. But it got additional power which I did not need. So I tried to find a way to make the car use less fuel. Forget boosters increasing MPG unless your car is very wasteful using fossil fuels.

[greenfuelbooster]

If you are "SO SURE" my 06 civic does NOT get at least 45MPG highway ... would you care to bet $2000? That will pay for your plane fare and nice hotel in MD ... well, that is if you win

Originally Posted by mwebb

i believe i understand
i just disagree

both of your alleged improvements have been shown to not do what you claim they do

i too have been following the HHO HOAX for some time ....

and
you do not know what you do not know regarding the intake restriction

2 strikes
care for another ?

[mwebb]

Originally Posted by greenfuelbooster

I think it got glommed after I mention hydroxy booster.
In fact the hydroxy booster on my 06 Civic did not increase MPG highway nor city.
But it got additional power which I did not need. So I tried to find a way to make the car use less fuel. Forget boosters increasing MPG unless your car is very wasteful using fossil fuels.

i find i am at a loss for words .
oh
except
now that the original premises have been thoroughly disproved ....

how did you measure or quantify the alleged "additional power "
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how about the exact oil type and the Blackstone labs test results ?
you should check into this topic , if you have not already done so .
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i make no claim as to what your FE may or may not be , i am just stating that your modifications will not result in an improvement in your FE .
and
you have agreed at - least on one count

thank me

[greenfuelbooster]

MWebb, read my posts properly. I have been getting 45-50 MPG highway for more than 1 year now using the air intake config. Again, if you are so sure want to take my challenge? It will be fun. I know there are others in this forum who do not believe because they are so technical and it does not make sense technically. They can chip in so you can raise the $2000 for you

[brucey]

Can it be adapted to any car?

I'll bite, I'm in Martinsburg WV/ Haegerstown MD everyday.