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Old 07-20-2008, 02:45 AM   #141 (permalink)
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110% agreement here. For HHO to work, the car must be reconfigured for lean burn.



If I had to do it all over again, I would seriously *consider* this gizmo :

HydranOx - $400
Hydrogen Fuel System Portal Page :: Sigma Automotive



I am not saying that the above gizmo is not a scam, I am just saying that it claims to solve an existing deficiency with HHO designs.

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I went to this site...and read thru their claims. One statement caught my eye : "60 cubic inches per hour" is the advertised rate of hydrogen production. Let's see ... there are 60 minutes in an hour... so this is the same as 1 cubic inch per minute? WOW! Some production rate! I smell "inept", here....

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... so this is the same as 1 cubic inch per minute? WOW! Some production rate! I smell "inept", here....
This has been my point on every HHO thread I come across! 1 cubic inch per minute is so incredibly minimal that it would have no measurable effect on FE...and the small percentage of a percentage that it would effect does not even replace the energy it took to make the hydrogen in the first place!!
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Old 07-20-2008, 02:43 PM   #143 (permalink)
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Why do you guys insist on messing with O2 sensors to lean fuel ratio?

There is an easier way. It's called the atmospheric or barometric pressure sensor. If you put a 25k pot switch on it you turn it down until the idle speed lowers. There are no funky lights or warnings to contend with. You are simply telling the ecu you are driving at a higher altitude than you really are.

They are usually three wire, ground, 12v, and one thats around 2-5v. The lower voltage one is the one you want to put the switch on.
Outstanding suggestion! Thank you for your insight. I am not an EE person.

One of the tremendous 'hurdles' facing innovators is the lack of
imagination ( "The world is flat!" crowd amidst us ) ; ie, there is so much gullibility, pseudoscience, greed, and ego that it twists our thinking, We fall victims to ourselves due to our clinging to hope or out of sheer desperation.

Does anyone here remember the $9.95 "Powerfoam" trick sold by JC Whitney back during the 1st energy crisis? This plastic bottle bubbled furiously ( driven by manifold vacuum) and the water vapor thus generated was claimed to increase power, acceleration, and gas mileage...as well as clean the carbon from your valves & rings. This was in the early '70s! The tune being sung today is the same (even the words are the same), but the methods are fancier (razzle-dazzle). But the bubbles! Wow! The seat-of-the-pants gauge pegged! The liquid water level didn't drop very fast...but the bubbles!

Technical language pushes mo$t of us off balance. Misuse of science
terms ( the last one I saw was "thermal dynamics") dazzles us more.

My point? All this talk of "Brown's Gas", HHO, and the dangers of H2 generation serves to cram the lid on the fact hydrogen is so common ( and yet so tightly bound) merely serves to cloud our imagineering (sic) vision to the fact H2 is so explosive! Being explosive is what makes a fuel, yes? And it's such a clean fuel! I am currently working on a mileage / emissions improver for
gasoline ( I'm about 85ish % there) which is going to amaze some people. My Scangauge II set-up will take the utter confusion from my test procedures...and a friend's videotaping expertise ( he is the chief engineer at a local TV station) will document everything. No fuzzy shots, no gaps, no funky lighting, no splicing ( a clock will ensure this), no jerky film clips, no BS ("Bad Science").

Stay tuned. And please don't hit me with E-mails! I can't do but so much....
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P.S. Part of this concept is done; it flies solo very well...it isn't performing as well as it could, but it does fly... it's a chemical modifier for the burning rate of gasoline. By slowing this flame front instead of "speeding it up" (as conventional wisdom dictates), more complete combustion occurs... along with improved internal engine geometries. Now the hydrogen generator must be added...as must the EGT thermocouples and the soon-to-be-arriving Scangauge. Initial runs will not await graphing capabilities (documentation)...all this will come later.

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"atmospheric or barometric pressure sensor".
Sorry for the ignorance, do you mean the MAP sensor?
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Turtle The Scangauge has arrved...and is in(stalled)!

The Scangauge arrived last Thurs. I installed it (temporarily) in the P.O. parking lot...calibrated it when I got home. Took car on a short trip Fri. In 3 days I had covered 151 miles, the mileage figures are rather impressive ( I am still unsure of Scan. accuracy). Playing with bench electrolysis now...will polish & install shortly. Stay tuned....

tangomar- The key word is "altitude"...

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If you are interested in HHO...check out some of the results here?

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"atmospheric or barometric pressure sensor".
Sorry for the ignorance, do you mean the MAP sensor?
No, there is a definite difference. They are totally separate sensors. Manifold Air Pressure sensor senses the air being pulled into the throttle body to adjust fuel ratio for engine demands. More air more fuel. The atmospheric or barometric pressure sensor (name depends on manufacturer) senses ambient pressure (altitude) for optimum fuel/air ratio. Less air pressure (higher altitude) less fuel.

The reason for the pot switch. You only mess with one sensor. No ECU warning lights. O2 and MAP sensors can be messed with but are more complicated and can cause warning lights. This is just a much easier alternative without all the fuss achieving the same results.

Ignorance excused! Lesson learned and others were probably thinking the same thing but afraid to ask.

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No, there is a definite difference. They are totally separate sensors. Manifold Air Pressure sensor senses the air being pulled into the throttle body to adjust fuel ratio for engine demands. More air more fuel. The atmospheric or barometric pressure sensor (name depends on manufacturer) senses ambient pressure (altitude) for optimum fuel/air ratio. Less air pressure (higher altitude) less fuel.
Do all cars have these? I had never seen or heard of one before, I don't believe either of my cars has one.
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Barometric pressure sensor adjustment may not be an option as it looks like it is housed on board with the ECU of most cars. I did a little research on my Acura and it is the case for my car.
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Not sure which cars have them accessible. Like in silverknights case probably not an option. If it is it's own separate sensor it should be shown on a emission schematic or ecu wiring diagram. I believe all fuel injected cars have a sensor that performs this function. It may possibly be a dual function sensor. These are the names I have heard them called on schematics, there very well may be other names for them.

Will take a look and see what my fuel injection system book has in it.

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