I.C.E./B.E.V price parity today?

[redpoint5]

I don't really think "Big Oil" has much lobbying against EVs. Personal transportation is something like 19% of fossil fuel use, and every single facet of our life depends on fossil fuels, so there's no need to destroy the 2% market share of EVs by bribing politicians to raise registration fees.

Probably enough people expressed dissatisfaction that fuel efficient vehicles don't pay "their fair share" of the road taxes, and the politicians responded. That's how politics works; the politician either successfully manipulates public opinion, or must succumb to it.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by rmay635703

In my mind the Honda IMA concept could be wound to any voltage and shouldn’t be more expensive than a starter+alternator on a standard car.

Maybe a similar approach could be tried even in a motorcycle.

You would think the IMA+ one way clutch could be the most easily implemented at the factory of them all

The "pancake" motors fitted to some hybrid trucks and buses are somewhat similar to an oversized IMA.

and provide silent EV operation or even manual transmission EV operation, unfortunate they never went the next step further

Seems like the only automaker that used to believe it was worth the effort to manage the transition from EV to combined power while keeping the manual transmission instead of going automatic-only was Honda.

My Honda Insight uses $200 of gas a year, why would a BEV that is more effectient pay more road taxes than my car uses in fuel annually when a BEV already pays 30% tax on the electric bill anyway?

That's a good point.

[freebeard]

I was in line at a drive-up window today behind a Forester PZEV. It had a little green leaf in the V, so when I got home I looked it up. Boxer 2.4, CVT and an electric motor/battery pack.


http://www.moto123.com/ArtImages/987...-pzev-i002.jpg

[ME_Andy]

EVs will get a whole lot more competitive at Tesla's battery day, I think. In June

[JSH]

Originally Posted by freebeard

I was in line at a drive-up window today behind a Forester PZEV. It had a little green leaf in the V, so when I got home I looked it up. Boxer 2.4, CVT and an electric motor/battery pack.]

Evaporative emissions add up. Plenty of old vehicles leak more hydrocarbons in a day of sitting idle than a modern car creates driving. Motorcycles have particularly bad evaporative emissions - even new ones.

[oil pan 4]

Diesel barely has any evap emissions.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Diesel barely has any evap emissions.

True which is why they have much simpler evap systems. (If any). I don’t know about cars but 2020 model heavy duty trucks don’t have any controls. Just a vent on top of the tank to allow pressure to equalize.

[freebeard]

Evaporative emissions add up.

I was sitting behind it in a Superbeetle that when you go around corners with a full tank, you can smell gas.

...and I need to recharge the charcoal canister.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Even if it may seem negligible to have some evaporative emissions control on a Diesel vehicle, it's always good to prevent water contamination which may lead to algae and bacteria growth while sitting idle for a relatively long time.

Originally Posted by JSH

Motorcycles have particularly bad evaporative emissions - even new ones.

It used to be a more critical issue, but nowadays most resort to a charcoal canister just like cars have been doing for a long time.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

It used to be a more critical issue, but nowadays most resort to a charcoal canister just like cars have been doing for a long time.

Motorcycles have EVAP systems today but they are primitive. In the USA motorcycles are allowed to leak 2 grams of hydrocarbons per day. A Honda Accord with the 1.5L engine produces 0.05 grams HC per mile. So a motorcycle can leak as much HC as driving an Accord 40 miles every day. In a year, a motorcycle sitting in a garage not going anywhere pollutes as much as driving a Honda Accord 14,600 miles.

Carbureted motorcycles are much worse than EFI motorcycles because the float bowl is open to the air.