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Old 05-14-2020, 09:58 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Iowa $130 BEV fee is equal to the tax on about 430 gallons of gas(state taxes only) , 12,900 miles at 30 mpg.

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Old 05-14-2020, 12:38 PM   #22 (permalink)
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That's about the average annual distance traveled in a vehicle, and doesn't take into account federal taxes, which are also spent in states.

I'm not really arguing that EV taxes are good or bad; but mostly unimportant. How many people were right on the verge of buying an EV, then backed out because of taxes?
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Old 05-14-2020, 04:15 PM   #23 (permalink)
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. How many people were right on the verge of buying an EV, then backed out because of taxes?
$665 Title + registration made up my mind for me, annual gas is only $200
I went back to my Insight from a Volt
and turned down the Bolt I had scoped out, considering what is going on it was a good move.

I know a couple dozen folks who have gone “back to gas”
It’s just not worth the extra fee on a low range BEV from a financial perspective, then add in insurance is double to triple and it turns people off from the little $3500 gas savers, especially when it’s a second car.
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Old 05-14-2020, 06:24 PM   #24 (permalink)
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How are hybrids overtaxed? Is there evidence that hybrid owners are paying more in taxes than their inefficient counterparts?

As I've consistently maintained, it was a dumb idea from the beginning to fund critical infrastructure with price per gallon taxes. It should be budgeted and collected like any other government department.

Vehicle registration should recover only the amount needed to keep a record of who owns what. That should be, what, $1 per year?
Vehicle registration should also be budgeted out of the general fund too. All government spending should be paid out of the general fund with taxes raise by a simple progressive income tax. Get of the hodgepodge of other taxes and fees.


If you are going to try to fund roads with a specific tax then Oregon's fee per mile system makes the most sense. People that use the roads pay more, people that uses them less pay less.

Oregon didn't just increase registration fees for EVs they raised them on a sliding scale for all cars based on fuel economy. The new cost is:

0 to 19 miles per gallon = $62 per year.
20 and 39 miles per gallon = $66 per year
40 or more miles per gallon = $76 per year
EVs = $153 per year.

If you sign up for OReGO then registration is $43 per year. OreGo is Oregon's fee per mile system that charges no gas tax but instead charges $0.018 per mile.
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As to ICE / BEV Parity:

Mini Signature EV = $29,900 - $7,500 Fed - $2,500 OR = $19,900
Mini Signature ICE = $26,400

The EV is $6,500 less to buy and way cheaper to operate.
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$665 Title + registration made up my mind for me, annual gas is only $200
I went back to my Insight from a Volt
and turned down the Bolt I had scoped out, considering what is going on it was a good move.

I know a couple dozen folks who have gone “back to gas”
It’s just not worth the extra fee on a low range BEV from a financial perspective, then add in insurance is double to triple and it turns people off from the little $3500 gas savers, especially when it’s a second car.
As long as stuff pretty much stays like it is I hope to never go back to gas.
The only way I would go back to a straight oil or gas burner is if the state pushed me into that decision.
I'm not paying hundreds of dollars extra to pretend like my poop doesn't stink.
Like the hybrid episode of South park.
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How are hybrids overtaxed?
Considering nearly every other country has lower taxes for hybrids, while some places in the U.S. charge them an extra tax seemingly to compensate for a lower revenue on fuel taxation, this is somewhat overtaxed.
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When I ask how hybrids are overtaxed, I'm not asking in comparison to other countries, I'm asking in comparison to the utilization of public infrastructure with respect to the amount of funds paid to maintain that infrastructure here in the US, or specifically in each state.

As I've maintained, it doesn't matter who's actually doing the driving to benefit society, and therefore infrastructure should be funded independent of the drivers. If a friend comes over to visit, we both benefit, but only the friend pays the tax. The only people with a legitimate claim to not benefit from road infrastructure are those that have zero interaction with society at all.
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So here's a benefit we realized with this current "pandemic". We can go where we need and don't need to worry about stopping to get gas and presenting another potential exposure risk.
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Iowa $130 BEV fee is equal to the tax on about 430 gallons of gas(state taxes only) , 12,900 miles at 30 mpg.
Extortion.I'd find the voting record on that one,round up those who voted 'aye',march 'em out of their offices,and change the locks on the doors.

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