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Old 05-31-2008, 01:49 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Hi FastP...,

On your gas tank to bumper piece. Start flush with flow off the tank, then sweep it to a 30 or more degree angle at the rear edge of the bumper (not the midpoint of the bumper as shown). This will make what they can a "difuser", which will help pull air from underneath the car and fill in the wake better.

In race cars this is used for downforce, but due to the height of your Cherokee its not going to do much of that. Just help fill in the wake better.

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Old 05-31-2008, 04:55 PM   #32 (permalink)
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A break in the weather

So after 6 strait days of rain, with a bunch of flooding around town. I finally got time to work on the Jeep Again. The last two grill blocks are in place making a total of 5. And going by the recommendation of fellow eco modders I went ahead and removed the roof rack cross bars to smooth out air flow across the roof.

Total cost of mods so far: $0.

And then there were five.


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I think I'll go ahead and take off the cross bars on the roof rack. I'm planning on leaving the tracks because I don't want the roof to leak. Had problems with the last Jeep ceiling so don't want to take any chances.
As long as you put the bolts back in, it shouldn't be a leaking problem. Also, using silicone sealant, you probably won't be able to remove the torx screws after 20+ years unless you ruin your roof. Someone siliconed my valve cover onto the block and it was a B**** to remove (had to do the dreaded prying *shudders*).

Here's a link to the stuff I've done so far to my jeep. I'm gonna add more things on there like my block heater install. You can get idea's from there.

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Old 06-09-2008, 12:05 PM   #34 (permalink)
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So I saw an ever so slight improvement in fuel economy this tank. Don't know if the aero mods had anything to do with it or just my driving. Went from 16.32mpg to 16.44mpg. Nothing big but every little bit helps. Probably would have been better had I not gotten stuck in traffic due to flooding around town.
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Old 06-10-2008, 12:26 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Regarding the roof rack rails: I removed them entirely almost a decade ago. I went to my local hardware store and bought socket set screws with the same thread, add a little teflon tape and a dab of touch up paint on the top (after installation) and it has never leaked and is completely reversible.

My goal was less wind noise with the sunroof open - check!
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Old 06-19-2008, 12:33 PM   #36 (permalink)
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So I saw an ever so slight improvement in fuel economy this tank. Don't know if the aero mods had anything to do with it or just my driving. Went from 16.32mpg to 16.44mpg.
I'll give you top marks for honesty.
My similar 97 typically is in the 16 mpg range.
Basically stock with standard size low rr Michelin tires and syn lubes in all the mechanicals, a good tuneup, and driving "carefully".
All these guys on Jeepforum who claim they get 20+ are really difficult to believe.

I have picked up a newer model equal length intake manifold for a swap but am wondering if it is even worth the effort.
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Old 06-19-2008, 11:45 PM   #37 (permalink)
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22-24mpg is completely within the realm of possible for a cherokee with the inline 6 engine. Well at least is USED To be. I regularly average 22mpg for my daily commute. I measured my MPG for over 350,000 miles (I have over 452,000 miles on my cherokee it had 92,000 when I bought it in 1996) I wish I still had all those records but I never kept them I did the math and discarded until the next tank. I used mpg as the canary to tell me when something "was not right" with my truck. On many occassion pure highway driving I would get 24mpg and even hit 25.50mpg on one trip (must have had a tail wind :-) but that trip was a fluke. The gas station was 100feet from the freeway. I only had to accelerate a single time and then did not drop below 60mph for over 420 miles and that was to goto another gas station to fill up again. Wish I could do that daily :-)

Alas I said USED to be possible. It seems this ethanol is screwing my cherokee as well sadly :-( My first "real" tank in the Cherokee since the rebuild (new engine exhaust lots of new stuff) netted me 17mpg. that sucks. Even my worst driving did not get that low previously (unless I went into the mountains)

NOW I am slightly advantageous of a stock Cherokee I have 31" tires. this lets me travel FURTHER per revolution. IF you "baby" it and squeeze it gently on level terrain this will net you lower RPM at the same speed and as long as your not lugging you will GAIN mpg from this (think of it as installing higher "gear" rations in the tranny)

but when I goto the mountains and have to forcefully spin those meats up hills. Ouch 9mpg is not unheard of :-) hehe

I have a feeling I will never see 24+mpg ever again in my Cherokee with this filthy ethanol in our fuel :-(

BUT if you live in an area with gasoline WITHOUT ethanol then you CAN achieve very good mpg 20mpg being EASY if you do not have hilly country to deal with.

The vehicles combined epa rating is 16mpg with 22 possible on the highway according to the EPA.
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I have picked up a newer model equal length intake manifold for a swap but am wondering if it is even worth the effort.
I did it to my 96, and it was not worth the effort. I used my g-tech to compare before and after (at 0, 100, 500 and 1000 miles) and saw zero performance gain. My mpg went up 2 hundredths, hardly worthy of mention. The intake that is currently on your engine is tuned to lower end power. Sell it to some sucker on ebay that thinks it will make their 4.0 a rocket sled.

As far as my mpg, believe what you will, if you are ever in my neck of the woods you can borrow my rig for a few days and you can decide for yourself. I have owned all three engine variants in 4 different ZJ's, 20mpg on a stock vehicle is difficult but attainable (although my 5.2 rarely saw above 16mpg - even on short bursts). My current ZJ is more modified than I care to admit and frankly, I am disappointed that I cant consistently crack 22mpg. I chalk it up to the nature of traffic here.
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Hmm ZJ is a very different beast from the XJ much larger and heavier.
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Thanks for the info Jeepers.
Hopefully I have not derailed FastPlastics thread too far...

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