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Old 07-09-2009, 09:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Just my opinion, new to the forum, need to vent:)

I'm just an slightly average mechanic. My opinion is we (the people who pay), are gonna have solve the mpg problem. I telling my age, but i was watching nascar racing in the mid 60's and early 70's. Ordinary guy's who started out racing (with a little history in bootlegging in the 30's, 40's, and 50's. E'nuh of that, one of the best (engineer's, mechanic's or whatever) Henry "SMOKEY" Yunick. Hey, i don't have no degree in physic's, or engineering. I won't even try to explain thermal dynamic’s (but correct me if i'm wrong, a. {a liquid when heated expands in volume}, b. {a liquid's boiling point is increased by pressurizing it}, c. {a vapor under pressure cool's when it is allowed to escape}. However we do it, we are gonna have to solve this! The tinker's, mechanic's, modder's, hot-rodder's, or whatever. I just wanna hand the key's to my 85' small-block g-body to my grandson in about
20 yr's. (getting about 400hp 50mpg, i can dream can't i) It took only one college grad to figure out the trajectory to get to the moon an back. If anyone on the planet can, WE CAN. I think that ole nascar mechanic was on the right track.(no pun) intended) Besides how many patent’s do you have attributed your name, and how many nascar legend’s, people in the automotive industry, do you know on a first name basis. So before
you discount his idea. Do some research! I know i am.

Follow these link's to info on smokey's hot vapor cycle engine.

Adiabatic Engine - Hot Vapor Cycle Engine - Henry "Smokey" Yunick

Banks Power | Cool Air Equals Power

Georgia Fiero Club Official Website

HIMAC Research - Letters

US Patent 4592329 - Apparatus and operating method for an internal combustion engine

US Patent 4862859 - Apparatus and operating method for an internal combustion engine

Henry "Smokey" Yunick -- Fuel vaporizing carburetor system

Apparatus and operating method for an internal combustion engine (US4862859)

Apparatus and operating method for an internal combustion engine (US4503833)

Fuel charge preheater (US4338906)

Internal combustion engine and turbosupercharger therefor with heat pipe for intake mixture heating (US3965681)

Henry "Smokey" Yunick -- Fuel vaporizing carburetor system -- USP # 4862859

Al Gore Wasn't the Only Guy Flogging an 80-mpg Car - Column/Patrick Bedard/C/D Staff/Columns/Features/Car and Driver - Car And Driver

United States Patent: 4592329

Tom Kjos and The Spyders of Al

Operation of forced induction internal combustion engines - Patent 6282898

Infinite Networks CET Technology is Now Proven | Business Wire | Find Articles at BNET

New combustion engine creator boasts 85% efficiency - Jacksonville Business Journal:

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb...ad.php?t=94158

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2...-smokey-fiero/

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=78116

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?p=39169599

P. S. If they crush my 85' M. C. SS I’ll be in it!!!

Some search keyword’s I used.

hot vapor cycle engine

hot vapor cycle engine patent

smokey yunick

henry yunick

Phase 1 Adiabatic Engine

Adiabatic

Alberto Solaroli

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Old 07-09-2009, 09:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Welcome to the site.

I've heard much about Smokey, but never dove into his research too much. I'll have some fun digging through your links.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:56 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I've researched vapor injection before; seems interesting, and is definitely good for short term power/economy boosts (aircraft takeoff). I was thinking of trying to get a trial of it this summer for full time use.
Do you have any plans to test it?
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:08 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Thanx, keep on wrenchin. check out the keyword (deep web) for alternate technical search engine's.
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Gosh, I dream of 50 HP and 400 MPG. Thanks for the Smokey links - I've wanted to refer to his work a time or three around here.
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:09 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Just my opinion, new to the forum, need to vent :)

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Disregard link to smokey's fiero for sale on ebay Real Fiero Tech • View topic - Smokey Yunick "Hot Vapor" Fiero on ebay
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Update:
Maybe somebody wasn't to far off the mark. Check this link GM HCCI engine can operate at idle.

Search keyword: hcci engine

HCCI engines=Homogeneous Charge Compression Ignition, (H mm... )you decide?
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Maybe somebody wasn't to far off the mark. Check this link GM HCCI engine can operate at idle.

Search keyword: hcci engine

HCCI engines=Homogeneous Charge Compression Ignition, (H mm... )you decide?
Welcome to EM! I've been waiting for the HCCI to get past the R&D stage. A gasser with the MPG of a diesel would be great :

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On the trail, going to track it like a blue tick hound!!!

From what i've read in the article's, HCCI sounds promising. Check out the other link's i just came across.

Engine shows diesel efficiency without the emissions

Green Car Congress: Honda Making Significant Progress on HCCI Engine for Hybrid Application

ABG Tech analysis and driving impression: GM's HCCI Engine

GM HCCI engine can operate at idle

GM Rethinks Engine With HCCI - Video - Homogeneous Charge-Compression Ignition - General Motors - Popular Mechanics

HCCI Engines

Homogeneous charge compression ignition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homogeneous Charge Compression Ignition

Also mentioned in the reader comments a company called Vapor Fuel Technologies - Vapor Fuel Technologies | Home to the VFT Vapor System.


Keyword search: HCCI engines

P. S. Might be ole school,keep on wrenchin.
Here's an ole mechanic's trick o'the trade. If you got a diesel that's hard to start. (Be extremly careful) 1.) lightly satuate a mech's rag w/gas, 2.) hold over air intake (tight), to allow fumes (vapor), 3.)crank engine it should start, barring any mechanical failure's, 4.)do not repeat more than a couple of times without further investigation should engine fail to start.
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Although I loved reading Smokey's articles in popular Science in the 60's and 70's, I don't buy into conspiracy theories. It's always good to keep an open mind but the web is full of this stuff and and it always reads the same - lots of words and promises -easily distinguished from properly-written research papers.

HCCI is a totally-unrelated technology that makes scientific sense and is very likely to appear in the automotive marketplace.

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