The King is dead: Hyundai Ioniq (58 MPG US EPA combined) beats Prius ECO rating (56)

[Mainebikah]

Will make a copy of the TSB and present it to Honda service and see what they say. Might be able to get down to the dealership tomorrow. So will see what they say. Would be nice to have the rings changed, before the oil consumption begins. Will aim for that. Thanks for the info.

[tf4624]

you coudn't give me a Hyundai .. i would turn around and sell it.. they are still POS

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by tf4624

you coudn't give me a Hyundai .. i would turn around and sell it.. they are still POS

Well, I was given a Hyundai. I won it in a lottery

Dealer offered to swap it for something else if I wanted, but my wife and I drove it and liked it well enough.
It had two power steering failures (which as the dealer told me were the only 2 cases for all the hundreds of I10s he sold) but otherwise it is trouble free, and surprisingly roomy for such a small car.

Plus the feeling of driving around in a free car is invaluable

IMHO current Hyundais are not worse than Japanese cars, and often better than their European counterparts. JDPower etc. confirm that.

[Mainebikah]

Originally Posted by tf4624

you coudn't give me a Hyundai .. i would turn around and sell it.. they are still POS

Hmmm? Have you driven one lately? Not all that bad. They have sorted and improved their cars at a pretty impressive pace. Drove a friend's new Sonata about 3 weeks ago while visiting in Florida and I must say it was way better than I expected. Solid, quiet and handled nicely. Nothing close to comparable with their early products. The fit and materials quality surprised me, too.

[RedDevil]

I have driven the Atos and of course its successor, the I10.
The I10 is a much nicer car all round. I could not even seat myself properly in the Atos, but I can adjust the seat optimally for my 6' frame in the I10 - and I can then get in the back and sit there with my knees touching each other, but not the front chair. In that aspect the I10 is roomier than even my Insight.

I have both driven the Getz and its successor, the I20 too. Same story.
The I20 is placed in the so-called B segment (subcompact) but is as large as many other makes C segment cars, and better built too.
I would have gotten a new I20 but I wanted A/C and because the A/C versions went just above a fuel tax excemption limit at the time, it was one and a half times as expensive as the base version for just the A/C.
Tax laws changed since then and I'm happy I got the Insight. But the I20 wasn't bad.

Forget the Pony. Todays Hyundais are good.

[Mainebikah]

And I haven't heard or read anything bad about the new Ioniq yet, so expect that car to be a reliable piece when it's finally released for sale here in the states. Most of the information I've viewed comes from European sources. Warranties seem to be in effect a pretty long time for this brand, although I can't say how well they are executed when and if something does go wrong. I'll see if I can do some research on that at some point.

[bwilson4web]

Hi,

It has been awhile since posting here and I'd recommended this forum to the new owner of our former, Gen-3 Prius (2010 Prius, 73k miles, sold $8k):

Originally Posted by MetroMPG

. . .
Looks like the rumours that Toyota had delayed the release of its 4th gen 2016 Prius to make it as efficient as possible in the face of looming competition from Hyundai may have been true. . . .

I had just posted an update on the Ioniq USA sales dates which I understand:

• April 2017 - Ioniq, Ioniq Blue, and Ioniq EV
• "Summer" or "Fall" 2017 - Ioniq plug-in

In May 2016, we 'sold' our 03 Prius, 172k mi, to our house keeper who needed reliable, efficient transportation. She also enjoys the 1 kW inverter and 2" receiver hitch. We replaced it with a BMW i3-REx that we've put 12k miles since May. I'm still smiling although a little less after the motor mount bolt broke at 4 PM in traffic on a Friday afternoon.

A warranty repair, it took two weeks because one part, the AC cooling hose to the battery, had to be ordered from Germany. The replacement motor mount hardware is a substantial improvement replacing the ~1/2" bolt with a ~3/4" bolt and solid aluminum mount assembly. I had planned to keep the Gen-3 Prius for a year as a spare car but BMW repairs changed my mind. Worse, the Gen-3 Prius did not have dynamic cruise control and collision avoidance which aborted a 1,600 mile trip to visit two brothers and my Mom.

A week ago Saturday, we sold our Gen-3 Prius to make room for our 2017 Prius Prime Plus (lowest trim level.) It comes with TSS-P that includes both dynamic cruise control, collision avoidance and lane keeping assistance. Friday January 20, I will drive ~1k miles from Rhode Island to Huntsville AL.

That drive home is the difference between having a product in-hand versus two (or more) in the bush. Compare the three, promised, Ioniq models to the Prius Prime:

• 640 mile range @54 MPG vs Ioniq EV 124 miles
• 25 miles EV at 133 MPGe vs no EV in the Ioniq Blue or Ioniq

Source: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...38485&id=38484

There are no Ioniq for sale for at least 2-3 more months and even then, the Prius Prime, a plug-in, combines the range and EV efficiency not found in the promised Ioniq. Later, we may see an Ioniq plug-in with similar capabilities but 'a bird in hand versus two in the bush.'

Bob Wilson

ps. I visited the Chevy dealer to look at the Volt only to discover it does not come with dynamic cruise control that apparently is a special order. Dynamic cruise control and accident avoidance are hard requirements.

[bobdbilder]

Locally as driven by a local journo, the Ioniq gets 19km/l or around 47mpg, I personally would never buy any Hybrids here. The saving returns is way off compared buying a used car. As you can see in this article for a review of a Hybrid car, it goes at length to tell the niceties and creature comforts but the performance is only at the footnote. As if Fuel Consumption of a Hybrid is not a selling point.

https://paultan.org/2017/01/06/drive...ut-of-the-box/

[Ecky]

Why not a used hybrid?

[bobdbilder]

Originally Posted by Ecky

Why not a used hybrid?

It is still expensive when you calculate the Compounded Interest. And you need to add in the cost of a new set of batteries. Of course this is different from where you live. Locally the interest rate stands at 4% per annum and Toyota and Hondas have high residual values.

Local cars are mostly econoboxes from 850cc Kei Cars to 1.6L subcompacts, after 10 years their values go down to less than 16% of original price. They generally run at 39 to 29 MPG. With a pump price of USD0.44 per litre, it just does not make sense to buy them.