Looking for help building a Gas Vapor system

[jakobnev]

You should definitely run a steam engine with the vaporised gas before it goes into the engine.

[racprops]

Right.

Every hear of The Air Car??

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+air+ca...&t=ffsb&ia=web

OR how they used to run steam engines OFF of compressed air or built Compressed air engines:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Air+compre...&t=ffsb&ia=web

I was wondering what happened to The Air Car and this article explains a lot:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_air_car

This is the kind of information I am looking for:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gas+vapor+cars&t=ffsb&ia=web

And yes I have looked at most of these:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Gasoline+V...&t=ffsb&ia=web

Almost all are junk...

I am also considering converting diesel as it contains less junk...it would require a second tank to carry the diesel to leave the stock gas tank on board and to not lose or remove the stock gas system, keeping the car legal as all it factory systems would be intact.

Rich

[oil pan 4]

I think the air car didn't catch on because of its approximate 2 to 3 mile range and the need for industrial grade high pressure compressor.

[racprops]

Well they have claimed a range around 100 miles and speeds up to 45/55 MPH.

http://zeropollutionmotors.us/

And you could refill it at home in about 4 hours, about the same time to recharge an all electric car, and if you ran low on the road stop at a gas stations and get a partial refill to get home. (I can remember in my youth nursing a water leaking car home stopping and string of gas stations to refill them)

Good idea??

Air-powered car wins $5 million on TV show Shark Tank - Autoblog

Will it work?? There are a few problems.

The original Air Car few years ago was show being road tested in Europe, and they claimed that with a gas tank for heating the air they could build a car/mini van that could get 100MPG (Of the 10 gal. tanks of gas) which would give around 1000 Mile range on a full pair of tanks, one air and the other the heating gas tank.

This was THEIR claim

Sadly there seems to be a number of problems to over come:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_air_car

Rich

[racprops]

OK Been re-researching some thero on gas vapor:

How much does 1 gallon of gasoline displace as a vapor? The saturated vapor volume of an average gallon of liquid gasoline when fully evaporated is 160 gallons of vapor at 60° F and sea level.

It is hard to get more real data on the use of gas vapor.

I searched for the answer to this question and only found this site with a suggestion of a working ratio:

FuelVapor Technologies - fuel efficient vehicle automobile high mileage

And here they are again:

Fuel Vapor Technology – 3 Wheels – 180hp – 92mpg

OK So lets say I could get a 100% improvement on my stock cars: my Mercury could then get around 60 MPG and my van could get 32 MPG.

I think those numbers can be reached.

OF the some 15 cars I was involved in adding HHO we got two wild cards...Two cars that seemed to get around 60to 75 MPG.

Both we were unable to retest with a longer drive due to the owners leaving.

One car (a Hundia) got idle motor problems, and the second (a Toyota) was driven back east.

The first car once the idle motor was replaced, then was driven home by its owner whom began reajusting his car on the road and totally messed things up so by the time he got home he had it only getting 23MPG, a lost of 10MPG from his stock MPG.

The second owner called the next day COMPLAINING he was NOT getting the MPG he expected, that he was ONLY getting 56MPG....He called from two cities on his trip home with the same complaint...

Both cars were tested stock and both gave 32 MPG for a road test of 100 Miles driven at 65MPH with three men aboard.

Sadly these two cars were flukes and we could not get these results again.

BUT they did happen.

Rich

[oil pan 4]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I find it hard to believe claims that are not reproducable since that's kind like only the entire foundation of science.

[racprops]

Trust me I too was very frustrated by those two once in a life time hits. Out of 15 cars and a bunch of tests on my Mercury.

That is why I said we were unable to fully test these two cars by a 300 mile run on I10 to Blithe CA and back nor to recreate it in any other cars.

Which I pointed out.

Later results with the Dutchman system also showed farther flaws in their system with how the convertor had a short life and how prone to contamination the air intake was from the later chemical used.(the frozen idle motor)

Also in our summer heat the hoses got too soft and would slip off their connectors.

I dropped the company and tried farther testing with better (seemly) systems but never got any changes, to the point of putting a large store bought tank of pure hydrogen in the back seat and feeding it to the engine.

I feel this last test proved that up to around 6/7 litters of hydrogen made no change, no improvement at all. So hydrogen is dead to me.

I did get repeatable results with changing the Mercury's A/F ratios, but after 16.5 the MPGs start dropping off.

The best I could get was 35MPG @ 65MPH, with a large drop of power if left in that setting at the stop light, and passing.

And oddly I could not even get that in the summer here in Phoenix, the heat seems to kill it.

I have been told other engines might support higher A/F ratios but to relocate the stuff to test for it is too costly to try.

I am left with only two ideas left to try.

A second overdrive to kick the driving RPMs down to around 1500/1700 @ 75/80MPG for highway driving. That is the engines RPMs at 65 in its stock overdrive gear. I really feel it can pull it at that speed, as it seems to have plenty of power/torque.

OR Pure gasoline vapor.

And adding a second overdrive is a costly feat, and not practical for nearly all cars, Gas vapor is the only one left that can be used by many.

Rich

[oil pan 4]

I'm going to regear my suburban and firebird.
I have 3.21 gears to replace the stock 4.11 gears in my suburban just need to install them. The firebird will get 3:1 or 3.25:1 gears in a ford 9 inch to replace its weak GM 10bolt rear that has 3.73 gears. Then also get a T-56magnum with a 0.5:1 over drive to replace the standard T-56 with 0.6:1 top gear eventually, enabling it to turn 1,300 to 1,400RPM at 75mph.
Because I know it works because of reliable, reproducable results.

You said these results aren't even reproducable even on the original modified vehicle.
What makes you think it's all of a sudden going to work on all makes and all models?

The closest thing I have found to a magic bullet that actually works is lean burn cruise.

[racprops]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I'm going to regear my suburban and firebird.
I have 3.21 gears to replace the stock 4.11 gears in my suburban just need to install them. The firebird will get 3:1 or 3.25:1 gears in a ford 9 inch to replace its weak GM 10bolt rear that has 3.73 gears. Then also get a T-56magnum with a 0.5:1 over drive to replace the standard T-56 with 0.6:1 top gear eventually, enabling it to turn 1,300 to 1,400RPM at 75mph.
Because I know it works because of reliable, reproducable results.

You said these results aren't even reproducable even on the original modified vehicle.

We could not reproduce the HHO results, the lean burn setting of 16.5 is and has worked nearly every time I ran a test.

What makes you think it's all of a sudden going to work on all makes and all models?

As for Gas Vapor I do think if it works all normal aspiration cars can use it.

The closest thing I have found to a magic bullet that actually works is lean burn cruise.

I think my Merc. does a weak version of that and when I added in a little more leanness it goes to the 35MPG...with a lost of power, IF I could reprogram my Ford CPU to do it automatically as the GM version did I could see better results, a best of both worlds.

But for so little a improvement costing around $400.00 I kind of think it will not be all that worth it.

On my van I was planing of adding a OLD Borg Warner 3 speed with over drive and super short rear gears of around 2:05.

I had the first and reverse slide gear removed so now it is ONLY a 2 speed front tranny and a two speed over drive. (a second transmission on back.)

My idea was to use the BW second gear as a Under Drive giving me an strong low range and then shifting to third (1:1) for a high range (the 2:05)

SO I would have 5 low range gears (4 speed auto + 2nd overdrive) and then 5 high range gears.

And as the BW overdrive can be kicked in at any speed and any gear I can gear split all over the place.

The only down side is A) 90W gear oil and B) the added weight of this old cast iron tranny.

BUT as I had one in a 56 Studebaker as a teenager and hot rodded all over the place for 4 years and only broke rear axles. It is a tough old SOB.

Back in 1966 I used to fake other guys out with a 6 sped tranny, 1st then 1st and OD then 2nd w/o OD..then OD and then 3rd w/o OD and last OD again..turned a few heads and caused a few whiplashs...

Rich

[elhigh]

Originally Posted by tf4624

? that can be beaten. Its been done before.

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. No offense dude, but I've been reading a lot of these guys on these pages a lot longer than you and they, even the ones talking up HHO, are at least wrenching on actual projects to back their statements.

Cite your source. If it's your own garage, show us your fuel logs.