06-07-2013, 11:12 PM
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I bet adding those would probably help the U.F.O.'s aero, and if doing so means the underside of the tail then technically becomes a diffuser (if un-befinned), so be it!
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Difflow use 5 -7 fences. I suspect they channel turbulent air and equalize it across the rear.
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06-08-2013, 01:00 AM
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Yes, but it seems without "fins" like I think Metro is referring to, right? Here is another angle that I don't think is in the thread you linked to... but maybe that open box/wing thing is about the same idea as "fins."
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06-08-2013, 01:45 PM
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Strakes? Fins? Fences?
We need a Glossary.
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06-08-2013, 03:14 PM
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I tend to agree with you overall observations. I was just kicking the idea around.
Formula 1 cars have been productively using various diffuser fins for several years now, but I'm not sure that the 150-175 MPH difference in speed makes that comparison relevant.
And, yes I remember seeing that solar car. As I recall, the fins were small and at the very rear.
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That might have been the 1987 GM/AeroVironment SunRaycer.
Crosswind stability near the Australian land trains was a prerequisite for racing qualification and that car had already 'flown'.
The 'strakes' added under the tail were a solution which Dr.Alberto Morelli had come up with in 1978 with the CNR 'banana' car.The stabilizing tailfin was placed low,behind the wheels to mitigate a roll-moment,while moving the center-of-pressure well aft,giving it a nice weather-vaning.
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06-08-2013, 10:23 PM
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My CarBEN EV5 has a three straight diffuser fins, though I have no idea if they wil help or hurt or be meaningless. They provide downforce, I think? I'm hoping that the fins on CarBEN will "straighten out" the air flow so that it swirls less as it exits - maybe?
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06-09-2013, 01:33 AM
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My understanding would be that the downforce would be affected by the angle of the plate/bottom of the boattail. There is a diagram that indicates the angle is sensitive to the upper rear body shape (which I apparently don't have), i.e., fast/notch/kamm-back, over a range IIRC of 0-10°.
I agree they would reduce turbulence, but I'm curious about how they act in cross-wind conditions. And I think Difflow is onto something with the fan shape.
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06-09-2013, 07:18 AM
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My understanding would be that the downforce would be affected by the angle of the plate/bottom of the boattail. There is a diagram that indicates the angle is sensitive to the upper rear body shape (which I apparently don't have), i.e., fast/notch/kamm-back, over a range IIRC of 0-10°.
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Is this the graphic/table you are referring to?
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06-09-2013, 10:53 AM
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Is this the graphic/table you are referring to?
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I think that is it!  Will someone please explain it to me?  |
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06-09-2013, 12:17 PM
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Maybe. Let's see: Cx is another way of noting Cd. The "Y" axis, therefore, is measuring change in Cd (Cx) +/- and the "X" axis is charting different angles for the different body shapes' diffusers. Body shape A and B are shown to have their best diffuser angels at 3 or 4 degrees and the wagon ("C") seems just to suffer.
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06-09-2013, 07:50 PM
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Maybe. Let's see: Cx is another way of noting Cd. The "Y" axis, therefore is measuring change in Cd (Cx) +/- and the "X" axis si charting different angles for the different body shape's diffusers. Body shape A and B are shown to have their best diffuser angels at 3 or 4 degrees and the wagon ("C") seems just to suffer.
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So, once again, I am doomed?
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