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Old 12-12-2008, 11:47 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Hey, I kinda gave up on the flat wheels idea for now; I couldn't get a decent set of CRX Si wheels at a decent price either.

Today, I ordered a set of '93 Protege 14x5.5" alloys (not very aerodynamic, but hopefully somewhat light) from a junkyard for $100 shipped. I'll weigh one before I mount tires, so we'll have one more entry in our knowledge base of wheel weights.

This is ironic--the last person to discuss Insight wheels on the ecomodder forum gave up and bought Honda Fit alloys.

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Old 12-13-2008, 12:24 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Hey, I kinda gave up on the flat wheels idea for now; I couldn't get a decent set of CRX Si wheels at a decent price either.

Today, I ordered a set of '93 Protege 14x5.5" alloys (not very aerodynamic, but hopefully somewhat light) from a junkyard for $100 shipped. I'll weigh one before I mount tires, so we'll have one more entry in our knowledge base of wheel weights.

This is ironic--the last person to discuss Insight wheels on the ecomodder forum gave up and bought Honda Fit alloys.
Check redpepperracing.com it's nothing but 1st gen CR-X's, and people give those wheels away, because they're ugly as sh!t. Not to mention heavy, compared to the wheels most of us would rather have, and even for the better looking Honda wheels, they're the same weight, or close to it. (Hammers and Fat Fives are 15-16#, and they're 15" rims.... better performance sizes.)
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I was thinking that they still measure the bolt pattern from center of one hole,across to the opposite hole.That may not be valid anymore.I was interested in a later model HONDA wheel and the parts guys said they wouldn't fit my car,as HONDA had subsequently changed their bolt pattern.-----$150 is a great price if they'll fit! I'll see if I can find that weight.
Nah, just about any Honda 4-lug wheel fits your car. The 84-00 Civic uses a 4x100, so does the early accord, and prelude up to 92. The Insight, and several other models also use the pattern, and most Acura Integras also share it, as well as some other Acura models.

Escorts/Tracers from 92 up also use it (any escort from that generation up) but the centers need milled to fit Honda hubs, as they're about 3mm too small.

blahblahblah etcetcetc... Honda didn't change the bolt pattern on their Civic line until like the 8th generation.

Like I said, I have '86 CR-X Si wheels on my '89 (next generation) sedan.
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Old 12-13-2008, 02:16 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Nah, just about any Honda 4-lug wheel fits your car. The 84-00 Civic uses a 4x100, so does the early accord, and prelude up to 92. The Insight, and several other models also use the pattern, and most Acura Integras also share it, as well as some other Acura models.

Escorts/Tracers from 92 up also use it (any escort from that generation up) but the centers need milled to fit Honda hubs, as they're about 3mm too small.

blahblahblah etcetcetc... Honda didn't change the bolt pattern on their Civic line until like the 8th generation.

Like I said, I have '86 CR-X Si wheels on my '89 (next generation) sedan.
Thanks mucho for the info! It's funny that I was told misinformation and never bothered to check it out.Maybe after my $1,000 disappointment my brain shut down.
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Yeah, 4x100 is a very common lug pattern for '80s and '90s small cars. 4x100 wheels are mostly interchangeable, though you have to watch out for offsets and center bores.

'90s Proteges and Escorts all use 4x100 and 54.1mm center bores. Not surprising, since they share lots of suspension components. Civics and other 4x100 Hondas have a 56.1mm center bore.

Try this if you're looking for bolt pattern, offset, and center bore info:
Vehicle Bolt Pattern Reference

So, the Honda wheels with a slightly larger center bore will fit over the Mazda hub. However, the Mazda wheels may not fit over the Honda hub without a bit of machine shop work.

Even so, I'm playing this one safe by installing wheels off of an other 4x100 Mazda.
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Yeah, you can snag a decent set of 4x100 14-15" alloys from a junkyard for $100-200, shipped. If you get picky and want Insight or Civic VX wheels, you might pay a bit more. Or, if you're really lucky, you might find what you're looking for at junkyard or with an ebay seller who is located in your area, so you don't have to pay shipping.
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Sometimes, it's easier to just go to a dealer to get them. Lots of times, people want 4-500 for HX wheels... and you can get them from a dealer at times for $80 each, brand new.

It's the same thing for buying gaskets and such for Hondas.. its' almost always cheaper to get most of your parts from the dealer.

Aero - How much of that $1000 is the tires vs the wheels? I know LRR's are expensive, but you shouldn't have paid more than about $50 each for those wheels, and that's even a premium for them.

I asked $300 a few years ago for a NIB set of them, and I got scoffed at until I found someone that was doing a period correct restoration of an '86 CR-X Si.

Sometimes it pays to sit and wait.
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why isn't anyone making a plastic moon cap that is avalible? they would be lighter and cheaper to make.
How about using those round, partial - sphere plastic sleds? Would be cheap - just go to a sledding hill and pick them off unsuspecting younglings...
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How about using those round, partial - sphere plastic sleds? Would be cheap - just go to a sledding hill and pick them off unsuspecting younglings...
Um... those things are like 22" diameter or bigger sometimes... that would be a LOT of wasted trimmings. You'd have small pieces that you could use for grille blocks and such though, and the plastic itself is quite flexible, and could be used for aero mods, like fairing in your mirrors and such, where it wouldn't be completely hideous. Plus, it's paintable.
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Um... those things are like 22" diameter or bigger sometimes... that would be a LOT of wasted trimmings. You'd have small pieces that you could use for grille blocks and such though, and the plastic itself is quite flexible, and could be used for aero mods, like fairing in your mirrors and such, where it wouldn't be completely hideous. Plus, it's paintable.
You'd also have to find a way to form them or adhere them to something that would actually hold to the wheel, or just semi-permanently adhere them to the wheel on their own. (small screws could be tapped into the "lip" of the rim every 4-5 inches or so around the rim to hold the plastic on.) This would make it a complete PITA to change rims/tires quickly though.

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