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Old 11-09-2019, 10:09 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I've often thought of converting a pickup to electric drive.

Most of my work vehicles are driven short distances and often sit for a day or two between use.

I also like the idea of reduced maintenance. Gasoline and diesel vehicles, no matter the make, are all higher maintenance than my little wife.

I believe there would be a good market for electric drive pickups, both large and small.

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Old 11-09-2019, 10:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Most of my work vehicles are driven short distances and often sit for a day or two between use.

I also like the idea of reduced maintenance. Gasoline and diesel vehicles, no matter the make, are all higher maintenance than my little wife.

I believe there would be a good market for electric drive pickups, both large and small.
So .. how much would you pay (extra) above the gasser for an EV version?

Below are my thoughts, but I'd be interested in yours!

My thoughts are about 33%. Work the numbers however you wish ... the EV may last longer but I'm not sure that you will drive it longer before trading anyway. My fuel costs for 160K km (100K miles) ... with today's fuel costs ... is $16,000 Canadian. The truck cost $50K canadian. It should last me 7 or 8 years before I start putting serious cash into repairs. Assuming some stuff, the electricity should be between $4000 and $5000 for the same distance.

So the real cost of the fuel will be higher as gas prices rise. But electricity will rise as well. I'm calling maintenance $5K for the gas, and maybe $2K for EV .. not as large a difference as the 'fuel'. So I *SHOULD* be OK with paying $64K or $65K for the truck. Maybe up to $75K for the truck (50% more for the sticker price).

Would you pay even more, a premium, to drive electric? Maybe $80K or higher? I think Rivian announce $120K US. Tesla says $50K but we all know that will be, at best, 3 years into production.
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Old 11-10-2019, 01:33 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Theirs no way it's going to be under 80 thousand.
The only way it would be affordable is if it was built on a gasser frame and body with a not really that impressive battery capacity.
The big 4 truck manufacturers could easily do it for under 100k.
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Most of my work vehicles are driven short distances and often sit for a day or two between use.
Then they're a candidate for electrification
But the price is horrendous and the choice pretty limited when buying new E-vans and E-lighttrucks

VW E-Crafter starts @ 84000 VAT included
The diesel Crafter starts at 32000 VAT included

That pays for a LOT of maintenance and "more expensive" fuel !


Besides, no-one knows how electricity will be taxed in future
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So .. how much would you pay (extra) above the gasser for an EV version?

Below are my thoughts, but I'd be interested in yours!

My thoughts are about 33%. Work the numbers however you wish ... the EV may last longer but I'm not sure that you will drive it longer before trading anyway. My fuel costs for 160K km (100K miles) ... with today's fuel costs ... is $16,000 Canadian. The truck cost $50K canadian. It should last me 7 or 8 years before I start putting serious cash into repairs. Assuming some stuff, the electricity should be between $4000 and $5000 for the same distance.

So the real cost of the fuel will be higher as gas prices rise. But electricity will rise as well. I'm calling maintenance $5K for the gas, and maybe $2K for EV .. not as large a difference as the 'fuel'. So I *SHOULD* be OK with paying $64K or $65K for the truck. Maybe up to $75K for the truck (50% more for the sticker price).

Would you pay even more, a premium, to drive electric? Maybe $80K or higher? I think Rivian announce $120K US. Tesla says $50K but we all know that will be, at best, 3 years into production.
They both have about 250k on the odometer. Minimum repairs other than belts and sensors and water pumps. To replace either one is going to cost a pretty penny in today's diesel market. An electric pickup needs to be able to tow our 24 foot flatbed a radius of about 60 miles. I would keep one diesel for the runs cross country. But the bulk of our material handling is within an hour of the shop. I would expect an E-pickup to come in a cost range comparable to a new Cummins Diesel. 50 thousand or so. USD. Club or Mega Cab. 4x4. Ok. It's looking closer to 65K dollars to replace my old 2007 diesels! Just as long as I stay away from the high trim models.

I can see $70K as an upper limit for most trades buyers.

What I would like to see, is an electric drive pickup, built like the Grumman Postal vehicles. A long lived chassis with a drive train that is easy to maintain and replace would be ideal. Off the lot Dodge diesel, or any diesel, is loaded with bells and whistles I simply don't need or need to pay for.
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The Tesla pickup truck will be revealed November 21, 2019 - 10 days from now. They are aiming at a base price of $49K.

The Rivian R1T will be shipping next year, I believe. They have Mitsubishi's old plant in Normal Illinois (where the i MiEV was built).

Bollinger Motors is moving closer to production, with their B1 and B2 - they are expensive, at $125K; but robust as hell.

Ford is going to be building an electric F-150, and an electric "Mustang-inspired" SUV is being revealed later this month.
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Rustylugnut, ever been to the diyelectriccar.com website ? Also,try car-part.com for used car parts. Larger Kwh Tesla batteries can be had for around $10,000.00 and maybe even a Tesla rear mounted motor-controller. If you have talented friends I can't see a conversion costing over $30,000.00 and that may be high.

Weight of trailer and load will need careful scrutiny. Still believe 150 mile range loaded is possible. Do more searching. Good luck if you try this.

UDATE: You are in EV parts heaven. No shipping required, possibly. Tesla 75 Kwh 600+HP motor at this location for under $3000.00.

https://hsrmotors.com/products/driveunits

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The Tesla pickup truck will be revealed November 21, 2019 - 10 days from now. They are aiming at a base price of $49K.
I believe that Tesla will get there. But it won't be for 2 or 3 years. And that 'base' model won't ship to Canada ... the Model S, X and 3 all had a 'cold weather' package (it wasn't called that though) that was part of the Canadian Tesla site, required to get it across the border. I expect that it will just be included when I order a 'Standard' model ... or whatever Tesla calls it when the time comes

I could be looking in the wrong places ... but it does not appear that 'base' models are available anywhere but the lower 48
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Rustylugnut, ever been to the diyelectriccar.com website ? Also,try car-part.com for used car parts. Larger Kwh Tesla batteries can be had for around $10,000.00 and maybe even a Tesla rear mounted motor-controller. If you have talented friends I can't see a conversion costing over $30,000.00 and that may be high.
I was interested in a Tesla drive unit bolted to an older pickup ... and was told that changing the truck to accept independent rear suspension (like what Tesla has) is expensive and very custom.

But I didn't check out anyone local to do the work ...

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