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Old 11-12-2019, 06:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I could be looking in the wrong places ... but it does not appear that 'base' models are available anywhere but the lower 48
I don't know where base models are available, but the base Model 3 cannot be ordered online. You've got to phone in those orders.

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Old 11-12-2019, 08:46 PM   #22 (permalink)
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“Best” Vega I ever came across was a local who shoehorned in 400 4-bolt & Th400. Cut down a 12-bolt to fit the rear. Idea was stock appearance. Wasn’t bad at all.

Wheel stand, anyone?

I think he made back on what he spent till that power started tearing apart the car at the door-rear/roof seam.

THAT was a Vega. Ate Camaros for breakfast and Corvettes for dinner. None of those guys knew how to launch. He had it nailed.
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Did the equivalent with ford parts in a Pinto. Totally stock looking except the rear tires. Same sort of final result, broke all the windows and bent the car.
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So .. how much would you pay (extra) above the gasser for an EV version?

Below are my thoughts, but I'd be interested in yours!

My thoughts are about 33%. Work the numbers however you wish ... the EV may last longer but I'm not sure that you will drive it longer before trading anyway. My fuel costs for 160K km (100K miles) ... with today's fuel costs ... is $16,000 Canadian. The truck cost $50K canadian. It should last me 7 or 8 years before I start putting serious cash into repairs. Assuming some stuff, the electricity should be between $4000 and $5000 for the same distance.

So the real cost of the fuel will be higher as gas prices rise. But electricity will rise as well. I'm calling maintenance $5K for the gas, and maybe $2K for EV .. not as large a difference as the 'fuel'. So I *SHOULD* be OK with paying $64K or $65K for the truck. Maybe up to $75K for the truck (50% more for the sticker price).

Would you pay even more, a premium, to drive electric? Maybe $80K or higher? I think Rivian announce $120K US. Tesla says $50K but we all know that will be, at best, 3 years into production.
Looking at the 2012,back-to-back CAR and DRIVER comparison,between a Tesla S and BMW 5-series,the Tesla,while 14.4% more expensive on the front- end,ended up 25.4% cheaper to
'fuel' over the long-term.That's a pretty good parlor trick! And one reason why some nations are bailing from ICE and leap-frogging to EV,at least plug-in hybrids.The business model for 'pistons' looks bleaker every year.ICE cars have great 'battery packs' but their 'motors' really suck! They just can't break free of their 2nd-Law of Thermodynamics prison.
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Looking at the 2012,back-to-back CAR and DRIVER comparison,between a Tesla S and BMW 5-series,the Tesla,while 14.4% more expensive on the front- end,ended up 25.4% cheaper to
'fuel' over the long-term.That's a pretty good parlor trick! And one reason why some nations are bailing from ICE and leap-frogging to EV,at least plug-in hybrids.The business model for 'pistons' looks bleaker every year.ICE cars have great 'battery packs' but their 'motors' really suck! They just can't break free of their 2nd-Law of Thermodynamics prison.
The only “reason” (rationale) for electric cars is that the automobile has become a commodity. The profiteers behind it — bending regulators, bribing legislators and funding media allies— is to capture the lifetime cost of fuel.

10% is donuts & coffee. The assumptions about reliability and longevity are hot-air promises. Won’t pan out as “better”.

Except the better control of populations. That’s the leapfrog game.

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Workhorse already owns an old GM factory that they are using a tiny fraction of the floorspace. Ask yourself why they need another factory.

I suspect this is another scam where a company gets lots of government incentives to buy an old factory factory and promises the moon. Then they sell what they can for scrap and then close up shop. Elio did that down in Louisiana and it has happened twice in my old home town.
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Workhorse already owns an old GM factory that they are using a tiny fraction of the floorspace. Ask yourself why they need another factory.

I suspect this is another scam where a company gets lots of government incentives to buy an old factory factory and promises the moon. Then they sell what they can for scrap and then close up shop. Elio did that down in Louisiana and it has happened twice in my old home town.
Unless they are the winners for the next postal mail truck contract and the 1/2 million units they need.
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Unless they are the winners for the next postal mail truck contract and the 1/2 million units they need.
The postal contract is 180,000 vehicles delivered over 5 to 7 years. That is tiny volume for an auto plant and easily within the capacity of their current location.
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The postal contract is 180,000 vehicles delivered over 5 to 7 years. That is tiny volume for an auto plant and easily within the capacity of their current location.
Maybe, they need 180k just to replace the completely broken 30 year old trucks, then they need another 50k to replace the now 15 year old Ford mail trucks and at that point (10-12 years from today) they will need 50k more to replace the now 1-5 year old minivans and Promasters. At that point the all new design ones they built in 2021 will need to be replaced so they dont end up in the same boat they are in now. Also 50k rural routes using private vehicles with a massive per mile reimbursement could be assigned a mail truck if there were actually more trucks available.
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Maybe, they need 180k just to replace the completely broken 30 year old trucks, then they need another 50k to replace the now 15 year old Ford mail trucks and at that point (10-12 years from today) they will need 50k more to replace the now 1-5 year old minivans and Promasters. At that point the all new design ones they built in 2021 will need to be replaced so they dont end up in the same boat they are in now. Also 50k rural routes using private vehicles with a massive per mile reimbursement could be assigned a mail truck if there were actually more trucks available.
The contract to replace the LLV is 180,000 vehicles over 5-7 years. The USPS has delayed the decision until 2020 and has said it may split the award between multiple companies. Replacement step vans, and Promasters would be separate from that contract and hasn’t even started.

Even if for some reason the USPS decides to order 500,000 vehicles AND award all the business to one company that company does not require a factory capable of making 300,000 vehicles per year .

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