new EPA label for VOLT

[Nerys]

yeah sure $400 FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR electric bill maybe. Nope sorry even the ENTIRE YEARS worth of electricity for the electric car would not cost $400

where do you get $400 electric bill? WORST CASE SCENARIO for your average driver assuming bad electricity price and horrible heat forcing the lithium cooling system into overdrive when charging your looking at MAX $30 on your electric bill (assuming a VERY VERY high $3 per 100 miles) for the average us citizen driving 12,000 miles a year so 1000 miles a month.

I can't even fill my Geo Metro gas tank for $30 and the average person would need to fill it at least twice a month. (I fill it twice a week sometimes but I am unusual in that regard)

[Ryland]

Originally Posted by MorphDaCivic

This peak demand charge will sour most businesses allowing folks to recharge EV's at work. I spoke with one business property manager who said he would turn off the circuit breakers for the charging stations in his parking garage. Imagine driving to work, and not being able to recharge for the trip home?

This is a good example of poor education.
From what I've read the charging stations can tell the cars charger to charge at a slower rate if for example they are charging at a peek demand time or you have a lower amp service at that location.
Having electric space heater under peoples desks is going to make a larger impact then the charging of electric cars.

At my job they already paid for an outlet for my electric car charging, figured the 25 cents a day it costs to have me plug in was worth it.

[Nerys]

exactly. this is called propaganda. the actual electrical cost is TINY compared to pretty much ANYTHING ELSE. they use this as "scare tactics"

[gone-ot]

...so far, to my eyes, what GM has shown/delivered seems to be: (A) great initial idea, but (B) poor production implementation.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Nerys

yeah sure $400 FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR electric bill maybe. Nope sorry even the ENTIRE YEARS worth of electricity for the electric car would not cost $400

where do you get $400 electric bill? WORST CASE SCENARIO for your average driver assuming bad electricity price and horrible heat forcing the lithium cooling system into overdrive when charging your looking at MAX $30 on your electric bill (assuming a VERY VERY high $3 per 100 miles) for the average us citizen driving 12,000 miles a year so 1000 miles a month.

I can't even fill my Geo Metro gas tank for $30 and the average person would need to fill it at least twice a month. (I fill it twice a week sometimes but I am unusual in that regard)

Nerys, the estimated yearly cost for electric only use of the Volt is on the EPA sticker and it states $601. If that wasn't there I'd think you were just ranting, again.

Frankly the EPA's estimates are pretty high for yearly consumption. $601 would mean a bit over 5,000 KW-H at 12 cents per KW-H and that is half of the average US household consumption(11,000 KW-H as of 2008). But that is probably the standard 15k miles annually estimate. Which is pretty ambitious IMHO. 333 KW-H is terrible EV only efficiency. I usually use 250 as a worse case estimate!

Now I'm going to have to see the EPA informational regarding this, it just reeks of mal-adjustments.

[gone-ot]

...more EPA changes for 2012 Volt:

Volt EPA sticker changes and GM will hold a Web chat today