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[sarguy01]

Originally Posted by iveyjh

Everybody knows if this vapor injection worked the big automakers would be using it.

Not to pick on you, but I really dislike when people say this.

It is not always the case. Maybe there was a team put together by the automakers to test this and they found it was too expensive, didn't work well enough, made the car useless in cold/hot weather, etc. Or, maybe they didn't want to research the technology because it cost too much money.

Just because we haven't seen it on a production car doesn't mean it won't work. We don't see pie pan wheel covers on production cars, but we know they will increase mileage by a small percentage. My point is, there are lots of things auto makers can do, but there are lots of reasons why they don't.

[iveyjh]

sarguy, I am merely being facetious, I don't think that at all. I hear it said often on here and I was being sarcastic. Didn't mean to offend you.

Originally Posted by sarguy01

Not to pick on you, but I really dislike when people say this.

It is not always the case. Maybe there was a team put together by the automakers to test this and they found it was too expensive, didn't work well enough, made the car useless in cold/hot weather, etc. Or, maybe they didn't want to research the technology because it cost too much money.

Just because we haven't seen it on a production car doesn't mean it won't work. We don't see pie pan wheel covers on production cars, but we know they will increase mileage by a small percentage. My point is, there are lots of things auto makers can do, but there are lots of reasons why they don't.

[sarguy01]

Originally Posted by iveyjh

sarguy, I am merely being facetious, I don't think that at all. I hear it said often on here and I was being sarcastic. Didn't mean to offend you.

Nope, I wasn't offended! I didn't realize you were being facetious...sorry.

You are correct though, I see that statement written a lot and it drives me nuts!

[elhigh]

Originally Posted by iveyjh

Everybody knows if this vapor injection worked the big automakers would be using it.

I said that first and let me qualify that statement: "...if this vapor injection worked economically the big automakers would be using it."

Your statement skips past what else I said, to follow the money. If it works without breaking into the red, they'll do it just to have a leg up on the competition.

I stand by the statement as originally written. The automakers are not in the business of building cars. They are in the business of making money. Building and selling cars is just how they achieve that.

[XYZ]

Originally Posted by elhigh

I said that first and let me qualify that statement: "...if this vapor injection worked economically the big automakers would be using it."

Your statement skips past what else I said, to follow the money. If it works without breaking into the red, they'll do it just to have a leg up on the competition.

I stand by the statement as originally written. The automakers are not in the business of building cars. They are in the business of making money. Building and selling cars is just how they achieve that.

Automakers are in the the business of doing both, and you are both right. If and WHEN it becomes profitable to bring such a viable innovation to the market, the automakers will sell it as an innovation.

Meanwhile, we automotive pioneers can tinker and experiment with our cars and explore experimental ideas that are proven or unproven - either to our benefit or our detriment.

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I'd bet the automakers watch this forum for innovation. Fords ecoboost engine and grille shutters are two examples that could have seen imput from ecomodders.

I saw gas in Hopewell today at an Exxon station for $2.999 a gallon. Remember the predictions a few years back that it would hit $5 a gallon by this time. I know consumption has dropped as well as road fatalities. Few people realize that somewhere around 2 million people have died on US highways in my lifetime.

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Mech

[Frank Lee]

George must be on sabbatical from his sabbatical.

[XYZ]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

George must be on sabbatical from his sabbatical.

Oh, Frank - let sleeping dogs lie.

[Frank Lee]

I never even got past the old Ford to the REALLY juicy stuff.

[sarguy01]

George should stay on his sabbatical. I doubt he will have any solid arguements if he did come back.