Which Really Costs More: Charging an EV or Filling Up Your Tank With Gas?

[redpoint5]

There was a Simpsons episode where they had a coal powered car. "more coal, more coal,... less coal, less coal". I was envious.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

As a generality, an EV charged mostly at home will cost much less per mile in "fuel" than a gasoline counterpart.

One could charge an EV on my side of the river, drive to the other side and the price of electricity is double.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

One could charge an EV on my side of the river, drive to the other side and the price of electricity is double.

I feel like I'd be wirelessly transmitting some of that power to "share" with others if I were in that situation. Probably best not to stand in the path of the beam.

[Xist]

This was one of far too many tabs that I had open. My goal for today was to go through as many as possible.

I still have tons left...

I knew this would take a long time!

[JSH]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

2 cents per EV mile is what I had worked out when I had the Prius plug-in. 6 cents when running in hybrid mode. 10 cents driving the 30 MPG Acura. Electricity for me was 1/3rd to 1/5th the cost of gasoline depending on what I was driving.

As a generality, an EV charged mostly at home will cost much less per mile in "fuel" than a gasoline counterpart.

Is that 2 cents per mile with the reduced cost of your solar factored in or just a really high miles / kWh?

My Spark EV averaged 4.4 miles / kWh. At $0.135 per kWh that is 3 cents per mile paying for the electricity. The Bolt is averaging 3.6 miles / kWh = 3.8 cents per kWh. Those don't included charging losses so that adds about another 10% to the cost.

My Bolt is less than 2 cents per mile because about 1/2 my charging is done at work for free.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by JSH

Is that 2 cents per mile with the reduced cost of your solar factored in or just a really high miles / kWh?

2 cents because my electricity in Vancouver was 8 cents / kWh and the Prius can't travel above 60 MPH in EV mode, so I was averaging 4 mi/kWh.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Xist

No? Hey freebeard, does that rule apply, have a corollary, or something? https://share.newsbreak.com/dda5aqn8

1) who writes his paycheck?
2) his caveats are transparent.
3) the infrastructure bill addresses these concerns.
4) I have BEV neighbors not impacted by these issues, except to two weeks out of 52.
5) They're gonna blow money on holiday travel anyway, and had already experienced price gouging by oil companies during traditional travel times.
6) How much driving can the average American do in two weeks, and have any semblance of rest and recreation?
7) In a few years time, Anderson may have to come up with something else to complain about, as he's recognizing problems that most BEV owners won't be having.
8) It took awhile to get horses and mules off the streets of New York City.

[freebeard]

I feel like I'd be wirelessly transmitting some of that power to "share" with others if I were in that situation. Probably best not to stand in the path of the beam.

I have friends up the McKenzie with a Century farm. The EWEB power canal cut right through their property in the 1930s. The was a 90ft bridge over the canal that rotted away that they can't afford to replace. Meanwhile, they pay EWEB for power like they were downtown. And they don't dare dip even a flowmeter in the canal itself.

They have a micro-hydro opportunity with a creek that feeds the canal, but they don't care sufficiently. I donated some pieces and parts.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

They have a micro-hydro opportunity with a creek that feeds the canal, but they don't care sufficiently. I donated some pieces and parts.

What's the average flow and head height?

My goal one day is to own a property with enough hydropower to more than supply all my home energy needs. Possibly entirely off-grid since I could get internet via StarLink. No utilities would be needed at such a location.

[freebeard]

Year round flow. I estimated it once for them but I've forgot. maybe a 12ft drop. They're energy rich but oblivious. There was a dam built in possibly the 1940s that's broken down. Subsided on one side and cracked in the middle. I told them that ad we watched on their TV for pumped concrete foundation repair could lift it back in place.

That done the silted up pond would make good topsoil -- maybe a hydraulic ram to lift it out?

Also they have a barn with a ridge that runs across the valley maybe 60ft long and 30 ft in the air. Athwart the prevailing wind.