Reforesting with balls of charcoal embedded with seeds

[redpoint5]

The non-sequitur argument is the notion that species "have a right to exist". The only species that conceives of such things as "rights" are homosapiens. Minus our species, there are no rights, only nature. Species come and go without notice when humans aren't around to observe them.

Species can adapt to changing environment, or not. We can value their existence or not. I don't like mosquitos, and if I could, would eliminate them all. I value birds only insofar as I like that it gives some people joy to observe them, and some of them are tasty. Hummingbirds are neat. My everyday interaction with birds is usually something along the lines of washing their poop off something. Not a fan in general.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

The non-sequitur argument is the notion that species "have a right to exist". The only species that conceives of such things as "rights" are homosapiens. Minus our species, there are no rights, only nature. Species come and go without notice when humans aren't around to observe them.

Species can adapt to changing environment, or not. We can value their existence or not. I don't like mosquitos, and if I could, would eliminate them all. I value birds only insofar as I like that it gives some people joy to observe them, and some of them are tasty. Hummingbirds are neat. My everyday interaction with birds is usually something along the lines of washing their poop off something. Not a fan in general.

It is my opinion that, those who subscribed to that notion would constitute the lowest lifeform on the planet, and should respect all life, as it's much superior, and since, not recognized as 'persons', needs protection from default consequences of natural 'notional' person daily behavior.
I am not separate from the environment. I cannot exist without it. Any assault on it is an assault on me. 'Notional' people may want to allow for the possibility that some people will defend the environment as they'd protect a loved one.
All non-persons are more important than 'notional' natural persons.

[redpoint5]

I'll need further definition of notional and non-persons to fully understand the argument.

That said, I'll point out that there is not The Environment. There are environments which are better suited for certain organisms and those which are less habitable. Since homosapiens are the sole posessors of value, and are the only creatures capable of forming them, I place a higher importance on their environment(s).

No other creature can be thought of as "superior" because no other creature can conceive of such an idea.

The part we're in agreement with is that being at the top of the food chain and being the only ones to possess morality, we're solely responsible for the stewardship of all creatures on earth. Where we might differ is that I proclaim it good that things like bugs and spiders not live inside my house, or that cheetahs not roam in cities. 1st priority is to eliminate undesirable organisms from infesting the human environment, and 2nd priority is protecting organisms we value, in that order.

Ability to create a positive change requires accumulation of means. You can't protect something well if your needs aren't satisfied in abundance. This is the stumbling block of many bleeding hearts; the willingness to sacrifice oneself (or others) to aid in the cause of something else. That's not an effective strategy because you don't rescue something stuck in the quicksand by standing in it yourself. The firmer footing one has, the greater their means to lend aid. This is the whole concept of Jordan Peterson; to clean your room first before attempting to clean the room of others.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by aerohead

A) First, prove that you won't kill the trees.

Can't prove a negative. Your construct fails.

Originally Posted by aerohead

It is my opinion that, those who subscribed to that notion would constitute the lowest lifeform on the planet, and

"Some Humans Ain't Human" John Prine

I'll need further definition of notional and non-persons to fully understand the argument.

You and I also.

[Xist]

I hear that diversity is good.
Having one type of banana seems okay for the most part, but can you imagine only being able to buy dry naval oranges, red delicious apples, and seeded grapes?

What if pines were the only trees left? Every street in every town in every country in the world has pines of it has any tree at all.

freebeard, you may want more people to agree with you, but what if everyone agreed with you all of the time, whether or not you are being serious.

I wouldn't like Book Dude if he developed a crush on Aerohead, but maybe a happy medium would be in order?

[freebeard]

I hear that only 10% of the birds are government drones.

We will always have Plantains.

...you may want more people to agree with you, but what if everyone agreed with you all of the time, whether or not you are being serious.

Then more people would have a sense of humor.

[redneck]

Originally Posted by freebeard

I hear that only 10% of the birds are government drones.

We will always have Plantains.


Then more people would have a sense of humor.

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Just 10%...???

Not according to this guy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgSrYJzjqHE

Sorry 😐... Couldn’t find any plantains...

Are bananas close enough...???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpqxSBclqWs

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[freebeard]

I haven't seen plantains since they were served fried at Chez Ray's Gritz la Ritz at the OCF.

I think the 10% was pushback against that guy,

Originally Posted by Xist

...you may want more people to agree with you,

I am considering, redneck, about posting an English cover of Plastic Love in the good thread.

edit: Since I don't want aerohead pressuring me to productize what is simply a thought experiment:

Not knowing the molecular weights involved to calculate the minuscule weight of liquid Nitrogen needed to freeze a bug all the way to it's thorax, how about a suction tube that sucks the whole thing into a collection bag. To make a protein powder to add to soy products. I hear it's the future.

[redneck]

Originally Posted by freebeard

edit: Since I don't want aerohead pressuring me to productize what is simply a thought experiment:

Not knowing the molecular weights involved to calculate the minuscule weight of liquid Nitrogen needed to freeze a bug all the way to it's thorax, how about a suction tube that sucks the whole thing into a collection bag. To make a protein powder to add to soy products. I hear it's the future.

I got your back...





https://toptenbestlists.com/best-bug-catcher-vacuums/


https://www.edibleinsects.com/edible...insect-powder/




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[redpoint5]

freebeard isn't trying to convince people to agree with him, only to be less certain about everything; especially the things people have clearly gotten wrong.

Me- I'm always trying to spark discussion that expands my understanding or at least illuminates areas of ignorance; with an emphasis on philosophy ('why' is at least as important as 'how').