Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Hypermiling / EcoDriver's Ed
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 03-17-2013, 08:36 AM   #21 (permalink)
In the fasting lane
 
RedDevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Nieuwegein, the Netherlands
Posts: 3,723

Red Devil - '11 Honda Insight Elegance
Team Honda
90 day: 55.45 mpg (US)

It - '09 Hyundai I10 Active Cool
Team Hyundai
90 day: 28.5 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,504
Thanked 2,040 Times in 1,312 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by slowmover View Post
Any closer than not being able to see both mirrors on the sides of the truck is too close.
I agree. Never do that. I get sick of tailgators too, and people that dive into the large gap I leave behind the truck and myself.

Quote:
Originally Posted by slowmover View Post
Can I show up at your place of work and put erroneous, potentially career ending info in your employment file? Please post up that employer contact info publically.
I hope this is just a bad joke. To destroy people's careers because you are annoyed is a terrible thing to do.
You never annoyed anyone yourself then? And what punishment would you think justified for others to put on you for that?
Trailing at over 2 seconds distance (50 meters, 180 feet) is neither unlawful nor irresponsible.

Besides that, the traffic over here is so busy that it is hard to be not trailing something when in the right lane. Moving to the left means speeding up or hindring traffic. If it is not just one big traffic jam.

__________________
2011 Honda Insight + HID, LEDs, tiny PV panel, extra brake pad return springs, neutral wheel alignment, 44/42 PSI (air), PHEV light (inop), tightened wheel nut.
lifetime FE over 0.16 Gmeter or 0.1 Mmile.



Most people are in the longest queue.
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 03-17-2013, 03:29 PM   #22 (permalink)
NightKnight
 
NachtRitter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Placerville, CA
Posts: 1,594

RippinRoo - '05 Subaru Legacy Wagon 2.5 GT
Subaru
90 day: 21.16 mpg (US)

Helga - '00 Volkswagen Jetta TDI
TEAM VW AUDI Group
Diesel
90 day: 53.91 mpg (US)

Olga - '03 Volkswagen Jetta Wagon
90 day: 46.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 303
Thanked 310 Times in 186 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedDevil View Post
I agree. Never do that. I get sick of tailgators too, and people that dive into the large gap I leave behind the truck and myself.
Same here... for some reason there are people that equate "drafting" with "tailgating", yet it is easily possible to take advantage of the wake of a large vehicle (bus, camper, big rig) while also keeping more than a safe distance. When I do that, I will leave a lot more distance than what the majority of 'normal' drivers who are not even thinking of drafting will, and the gap I leave is often filled by one or more other drivers (though not for long since the speed of the vehicle I'm behind tends to be ~20 - 40 mph slower than the rest of traffic).

Actually, I don't mind so much when someone does dive in though I do feel for the rig driver as there is no way he/she can see the car behind. But for me, it means I can back off further while still taking advantage of the wake, so it's win-win.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2013, 08:41 PM   #23 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 2,643
Thanks: 1,503
Thanked 276 Times in 226 Posts
Keep in mind that a lot of the moving trucks are new behind the wheel of a large truck. I was shocked at how easy it was to get the keys to a 56 ft straight box truck that has 3-4 steps to climb inside the cab. All I had to do was sign some papers and read a poster about operating the truck.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2013, 01:02 AM   #24 (permalink)
Smeghead
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: South Central AK
Posts: 933

escort - '99 ford escort sport
90 day: 42.38 mpg (US)

scoobaru - '02 Subaru Forester s
90 day: 28.65 mpg (US)
Thanks: 32
Thanked 145 Times in 97 Posts
I see things like this as a reminder to never drive into a situation you can't drive out of.
__________________

Learn from the mistakes of others, that way when you mess up you can do so in new and interesting ways.

One mile of road will take you one mile, one mile of runway can take you around the world.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2013, 03:18 AM   #25 (permalink)
In the fasting lane
 
RedDevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Nieuwegein, the Netherlands
Posts: 3,723

Red Devil - '11 Honda Insight Elegance
Team Honda
90 day: 55.45 mpg (US)

It - '09 Hyundai I10 Active Cool
Team Hyundai
90 day: 28.5 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,504
Thanked 2,040 Times in 1,312 Posts
It suddenly dawned to me that I don't like reading how responsible drafters get blamed for speeding accidents and ignorant tailgating. No matter how clear I make that I keep a safe distance, the lament goes on.
So this is the first thread i have unsubscribed to.
__________________
2011 Honda Insight + HID, LEDs, tiny PV panel, extra brake pad return springs, neutral wheel alignment, 44/42 PSI (air), PHEV light (inop), tightened wheel nut.
lifetime FE over 0.16 Gmeter or 0.1 Mmile.



Most people are in the longest queue.

Last edited by RedDevil; 03-18-2013 at 03:24 AM..
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to RedDevil For This Useful Post:
Cobb (03-18-2013)
Old 03-18-2013, 08:20 AM   #26 (permalink)
Rat Racer
 
Fat Charlie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Route 16
Posts: 3,869

Al the Third, year four - '13 Honda Fit Base
Team Honda
90 day: 42.9 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,611
Thanked 1,740 Times in 1,123 Posts
Read the article, folks. It's not us innocent users of "found aeromods" at fault here, but malicious trailer manufacturers:
Quote:
A fortunate Chevy Corvette Z06 driver in California last week came away from a horrifying crash with only a few scrapes and a story he'll never forget after smashing into the rear of a semi trailer exactly the kind of crash that a new report says results in death too often, due to lax standards for the trailer guards that are supposed to protect drivers.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepdog44 View Post
Transmission type Efficiency
Manual neutral engine off.100% @MPG <----- Fun Fact.
Manual 1:1 gear ratio .......98%
CVT belt ............................88%
Automatic .........................86%

  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Fat Charlie For This Useful Post:
razor02097 (03-18-2013)
Old 03-18-2013, 10:38 AM   #27 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
razor02097's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: ohio
Posts: 306

Tetanus - '95 Geo Tracker 4WD Base
90 day: 29.43 mpg (US)

300 - '82 Suzuki GS300 L
Last 3: 60.78 mpg (US)

Jeep - '98 Jeep XJ Cherokee Limited
90 day: 12.82 mpg (US)
Thanks: 28
Thanked 50 Times in 37 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Charlie View Post
Read the article, folks. It's not us innocent users of "found aeromods" at fault here, but malicious trailer manufacturers:
I was about to post the same thing... the article isn't about the corvette crashing because of drafting. That vette slammed into a big rig for an unspecified reason.

People that draft large vehicles know there is risk and it is dangerous. Just like people that speed, tailgate, run red lights/stop signs, change lanes without looking know those activities are dangerous and risky. People still do it.

I know truck drivers are blamed for everything but I have a hard time believing the truck driver would be cited for someone running in the back of them while they are stopped/stopping.
__________________



Project Avalon: E bike build
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2013, 03:15 PM   #28 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
euromodder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Belgium
Posts: 4,666

GasDwarf - '13 Volkswagen up! EcoFuel CNG
Thanks: 176
Thanked 641 Times in 508 Posts
If slowmover were to move over here, he'd likely get a heart attack ...
How about 44 (metric) tons drafting you ... at (much) less than 20 ft ?
__________________
GasDwarf's fuel consumption :
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to euromodder For This Useful Post:
Cobb (03-18-2013)
Old 07-01-2013, 11:26 AM   #29 (permalink)
Not Doug
 
Xist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Show Low, AZ
Posts: 9,674

Chorizo - '00 Honda Civic HX, baby! :D
90 day: 35.35 mpg (US)

Mid-Life Crisis Fighter - '99 Honda Accord LX
90 day: 31.32 mpg (US)
Thanks: 6,531
Thanked 1,863 Times in 1,414 Posts
I remember seeing a picture like one of the Corvette ones, it may have been the second, which looks very familiar. It was stated that the owner's cell phone was still in his hand, but his head was in the back seat.

I definitely think that trucks and trailers should be designed to keep cars out from under them, but yes, if a Corvette cannot out-brake a semi, there is a serious problem.

As for the Corvette and the SUV, would it have gone under had it stopped or followed at a proper distance?

Hey Basjoos, that Corvette is not as aerodynamic as your car!

By the way, I just cannot imagine a Corvette owner driving slow enough to draft a semi, let alone being further concerned about economy to draft. I think that these two were completely negligent. Had they been trying to squeeze past, I imagine that they would have been to one side and\or at an angle.

Last edited by Xist; 07-01-2013 at 11:58 AM..
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2013, 12:39 PM   #30 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Knoxville TN
Posts: 96
Thanks: 1
Thanked 11 Times in 8 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedDevil View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by slowmover View Post
And the various state and federal agencies, insurance racketeers, etc will count this against the truck driver who should be blameless. No, it isn't fair, and yes, it happens.

Can I show up at your place of work and put erroneous, potentially career ending info in your employment file? Please post up that employer contact info publically.

Save your pennies on your own.

.
I hope this is just a bad joke. To destroy people's careers because you are annoyed is a terrible thing to do.
You never annoyed anyone yourself then? And what punishment would you think justified for others to put on you for that?
Trailing at over 2 seconds distance (50 meters, 180 feet) is neither unlawful nor irresponsible.
What slowmover is saying is here in the USA, the crash record goes on the truck drivers record even if he is 100% innocent. He could be doing 55mph in the slow lane when the Vette hits him from behind at 100mph. It still follows the truck driver and could cost him his paycheck. The stupidity of others can cost you your job. You could say that is annoying to the truck driver. It's not a joke, it is a reality that bad car drivers like the Vette in the picture have destroyed drivers careers. Bad drivers have done worse by killing innocent people from crashes they should have been able to avoid.

I do have a CDL. I drove in the past and I didn't care if you drafted me. I prefer you draft to you hanging in the lane at the edge of the trailer. It's hard to see exactly where you are at the distance. Looking in the mirror to focus on exactly where you are takes time away from me looking ahead down the road. At night, I prefer if you suck up close so I don't have to be blinded by your headlights. I can't control someones death wish if they loose control of their car from hitting debris in the road they couldn't see. I generally look ahead, try to be smooth, not wait to last minute to slam on the brakes, giving the folks behind me time to not slam me in the rear... if they are paying attention.

The 2 second rule is great, but doesn't always work out. If you are in the fast lane 2 seconds behind the vehicle in front of you, going the same speed, somebody will pass you in the slow lane dive in front of you, slam on the brakes to keep from rear ending the vehicle in front of you then flip you off because you were in the way and almost rear ended them when they slammed on the brakes. Isn't human nature grand?

  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread


Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com