Robocars, just like any car on California roads

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

Only superior in every way.

It's just as wrong to assume all rich people are smug and entitled as it is to assume all poor people are stupid and lazy. Predjudice is predjudice, regarless of who it's towards.

Originally Posted by P-hack

But that is exactly what you are doing, on a huge scale.

Please elaborate, because I'm not tracking.

I participate here to test my ideas among other smart people. That's it.

[P-hack]

you are starting with a premise, people suck, they aren't good enough as they are, we have to "save" them from themselves. But this applies to business and governance as well as every day drivers. I've not seen a balanced accounting of the pro's and cons from you, just constant hype and rationalizations and obstinance, that makes me wonder what your actual agenda is, in what should be an intelligent discussion.

[gone-ot]

Originally Posted by P-hack

...Follow the money.

Money begets money
Greed begets money

Follow the greedy money...

[Vman455]

Originally Posted by P-hack

you are starting with a premise, people suck, they aren't good enough as they are, we have to "save" them from themselves.

But as premises go, that isn't a bad one. People will tend to act in their own individual interests first and by default, as will any organism, even when these individual interests conflict with the goal of well-being for the species as a whole (for example, and as Frank points out, our rampant reproduction--as an individual starting one's own family there isn't a problem, but you get 7 billion+ people doing that and it begins to introduce issues of resource consumption and depletion, space and habitat, food production, water, etc.). I would argue that, yes, we do need to be saved from ourselves because of this dichotomy of what is good for the individual contrasted with what is good for the whole population. I haven't taken a position on autonomous cars yet, however--maybe by the end of this thread.

Carry on.

[BlueFoot]

Another example of "robot cars".
This tiny car can change shape and drive sideways

No more drunk driving and no more road rage incidents alone would make it worth it. People obviously don't have the best judgement while driving, in a lot of cases.

[P-hack]

Originally Posted by BlueFoot

worth it

Worth what? What is your in-depth analysis of the costs to individuals and to society as a whole of forcing people to be dependent on a central control for mobility, both short and long term.

I want you to demonstrate that you have a brain here. How does such requirements raise the bar on newcomers to the automotive industry, how will it affect people in emergency situations? i.e. Will people lose all navigational skills? Will more people be squeezed out of car ownership (and jobs), will the focus on infrastructure shift towards just those who can afford a self driving car? And a billion other potential side effects.

Show me you can really think this through before you make value judgements.

Maybe the road ragers are angry because the fornicators are clogging up the roads...

[Hersbird]

Who says it will be a requirement to use the road? Who says it will be overly expensive? A/C used to add 1/3 to the cost of the car, now every car has it. People probably had the same arguments about adding A/C to cars, it will increase their use, only the rich will have it, they will sit their with the windows rolled up oblivious to the peeons outside...

[P-hack]

how are you supposed to fix "road rage" without making it manditory?

Not sure how comparisons to AC and ABS are made with a straight face.

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by nimblemotors

Did you know the air quality in Mexico City is so bad, they have 'fresh air' booths where you pay to breath clean air.

Mexico City and other lovely spots- all representing the end game of "development" and "progress":

Lost in the Crowd - What Humans Are Doing to Earth - Purple Clover

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by P-hack

how are you supposed to fix "road rage" without making it manditory?

Not sure how comparisons to AC and ABS are made with a straight face.

I don't want to fix road rage but if 1/2 the people were surfing the web or sleeping, the road rage would only be coming from and directed to those that were still choosing to drive their own cars.

After time the computer controlled cars behavior would be easily predictible by the human drivers just like in a video game. It's humans that are unpredictable.

new technology always seems radical, then some day it's 2nd nature.