ROFL here's a good one

[bombloader]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

What irony?

Manufacturers strive to make what customers will buy. Even though there are many models to choose from, each model still must have broad enough appeal to be worth the investment to build. Most of the time, fuel economy is not a top priority for customers. Mfgs also have to conform to govt regs., some of which influence fe. All manufacturers have known how to build 1L type vehicles for decades but evidently the business cases for making them hadn't been made.

That said, I do fault the mfgs for not being as pro-active re: fe as they could have been.

This is very true. The comment that started this whole thread would be true if you added the caveats "without giving up performance, making the car less crashworthy, less comfortable, or having styling that many people think is fugly." Auto companies could do much better if the marketing focus groups and surveys were filled with hypermilers.

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by Red Lion

From post 1:

I don't see that he said anything about not being able to get better than average mpg

[bgd73]

Originally Posted by Fr3AkAzOiD

When I told my Dad about how I was getting 40+ mpg when I first started eco driving he didn't believe I was doing it without doing something that was going to destroy the car.

With the reaction I got from him about that I don't even want to tell him that I'm regularly getting 50 mpg tanks now or that over the past 2 days I've traveled 112 miles using less then 2 gallons of gas.

my dad drives rigs, last car he liked was a 455 oldsmobile... I let him drive the 87 sube around a parking lot.. shifting it in rpm ranges like a rig. It was a bridge built right before the worlds liers. A boxer CAN do that. "Ricer" is so freakishly far beyond bad opinion only it is holy.



As far as modding by doubting factory, it takes a real location first. It takes real people with a clean instinct where there is no knowledge as well.. Business retards stay content in thier cults pushing thoughts with money feeding it even more the wrong direction. I doubt everything all the way to 50 tons. For darn bad reasons.. and they ain't mine.

[basjoos]

Also car companies are hesitant to add a feature (no grill in front, boattail, other unconventional features) that might alienate a group of potential customers or that make routine maintenance a little more difficult (removing wheel well skirts to do tire maintenance).

I get this disbelief all of the time, even from Prius owners who can't believe that there's this old non-hybrid car that can beat the mileage of their new high-tech hybrid under most driving conditions.

[Peter7307]

Originally Posted by basjoos

Also car companies are hesitant to add a feature (no grill in front, boattail, other unconventional features) that might alienate a group of potential customers or that make routine maintenance a little more difficult (removing wheel well skirts to do tire maintenance).
I get this disbelief all of the time, even from Prius owners who can't believe that there's this old non-hybrid car that can beat the mileage of their new high-tech hybrid under most driving conditions.

Sadly most "focus groups" are mad up of people currently buying the product being built so the end result is more of the same or at best very minor variances to reinforce the current buying patterns.

Had this happen as well with a Prius owner.
Felt sort of sorry for the rather deflated Prius owner at the time.

Cheers , Peter.

[NachtRitter]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

I don't see that he said anything about not being able to get better than average mpg

Frank... That's not what Red Lion said...

Originally Posted by Red Lion

The mind of the guy that said it isn't open enough to realize that it's possible to get better than an "average" MPG.

" ... the guy that said it ... " => it is referencing what the guy said in the original post. Red Lion is the one saying "the guy" isn't open enough to realize ... it's possible to get better than 'average' MPG...

Hate to see good folks talking past each other...

[ShadeTreeMech]

Seems to me we've given ourselves the task of educating the general public that there is an option besides just accepting the drivel fed us by the car maunfacturers when they say their cars get great fuel economy.

[Piwoslaw]

Originally Posted by ShadeTreeMech

Seems to me we've given ourselves the task of educating the general public that there is an option besides just accepting the drivel fed us by the car maunfacturers when they say their cars get great fuel economy.

From Spreading the Word, or Help with Ecomodding Discussions:

Originally Posted by solarguy

We're on a mission from GOD. (reference from the movie, the Blues Brothers, for those that didn't catch it.)

[Red Lion]

Originally Posted by NachtRitter

Frank... That's not what Red Lion said...



" ... the guy that said it ... " => it is referencing what the guy said in the original post. Red Lion is the one saying "the guy" isn't open enough to realize ... it's possible to get better than 'average' MPG...

Hate to see good folks talking past each other...

Thanks for catching it! I wasn't very articulate in how I wrote it, but I'm also not the arguing type.

Originally Posted by solarguy

We're on a mission from GOD. (reference from the movie, the Blues Brothers, for those that didn't catch it.)

Great movie! A favorite.

[Frank Lee]

I wasn't really looking to rumble either... I just didn't get it.