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Old 11-04-2010, 01:10 PM   #21 (permalink)
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^^^ It's there, you just haven't found it. I've heard some people say "well, people just don't buy that here in the city" and whatnot, but that's not true. Small engines (lawnmowers, chainsaws, weed-eaters, and so on) can only use ethanol-free gas. In cities, of course, there are always many companies that cut grass, prune trees and the like. They are getting their fuel somewhere, so just find out. I didn't know about any in one city I've been recently frequenting, so I stopped and asked some people working on someone's yard. They pointed me in the right direction.

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...what'd Shell do? Just eliminate all added ethanol and go back to 100% gasoline?
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Old 11-04-2010, 05:19 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I live in The Netherlands, and Shell does sell the "FuelSave" gasoline here. I guess they started selling it here approximately a year ago. It replaced the normal "euro 95" gasoline and is sold for the same price.

Since I have a Shell service station around the corner, I regularly fill up there. Since the introduction of the FuelSave gasoline, I haven't seen a noticeable change in my fuel consumption... Also, when I use another brand of fuel the consumption doesn't really change...

So either it is just a marketing strategy, or the difference is too small to notice..
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Small engines (lawnmowers, chainsaws, weed-eaters, and so on) can only use ethanol-free gas.
No isht? Better not tell my small engines that or they'll stop running.
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I've been using the Fuelsave Diesel over here it replaced regular at the same price (although the general fuel prices have since started to rise) and from my evidence it make chuf-all difference. over the last few fills my mileage has stayed about the same.
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Old 11-05-2010, 01:43 PM   #26 (permalink)
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No isht? Better not tell my small engines that or they'll stop running.
No isht. just google about it for all the info. And if you're still curious, call any dealer of them, or any manufacturer and ask them.

as far as the reasons, here are a few: (ethanol blends...) draw moisture into the system (which is exacerbated by the fact that small engines often go months without use), they destroy gaskets, o-rings, seals, floats, diaphragms, etc. (because they are usually plastic in small engines), they cause severe corrosion, and it is especially dangerous for 2-cycle engines because it dissolves additives in the oil (negating the necessary lubrication), which effectively makes it like running straight gas with no oil. Small engines simply aren't designed to withstand gasohol, and it shows. They fail very quickly.

I learned my lesson a couple months after they started adding it into fuel at most big stations. My motorcycle started running like crap, and I was having problems that I never had before.. and they got worse and worse. One day I happened to be getting gas at a gas station (gasohol) in some portable gas containers, and an old man asked about it. I told him what the gas was for, and he told me about the gasohol issues. I went back and googled, and was pissed. Anyway, I changed back to regular gas for my small engines (including motorcycles) and I haven't had a problem since. I just had to go through and change some gaskets and delaminated lines that were already destroyed. Lesson learned.
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Please, let's not turn this thread into another ethanol debate. If you must (or believe you must) have ethanol-free fuel, just contact all the fuel dealers in your area. Despite living in an area where 10% ethanol is mandated by law, I found several ethanol-free sources for use in a boat engine that specifically warned against it.

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I live in The Netherlands, and Shell does sell the "FuelSave" gasoline here. I guess they started selling it here approximately a year ago. It replaced the normal "euro 95" gasoline and is sold for the same price.
Then you're lucky.

In Belgium Shell V-power (Diesel) and other premium fuels are sold at premium prices - the official maximum allowed price.

Does it help ?
Not that I've ever noticed.
Certainly not enough to offset the 10% or higher difference in price.

My best FE ever is a draw between regular Esso diesel and Aral premium diesel.

My Spritmonitor fuel log only shows a substantially better overall FE on premium diesel than on regular, because the statistics are skewed by changes in driving habits.

For the last 4 months, it shows 0.25 L/100km better FE , or 47.137 vs 49.623 mpg - the difference looks better in mpg - or a 5% better FE.
I might use those 2.5mpg to push me over my target of 56mpg.
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Then you're lucky.

In Belgium Shell V-power (Diesel) and other premium fuels are sold at premium prices - the official maximum allowed price.
The FuelSave replaced the normal Euro95 gasoline, but Shell also sells the V-Power premium gasoline and diesel in the Netherlands; The V-Power fuels are sold at a premium price...

Strange thing is that the V-Power gasoline sold in The Netherlands is only 97 octane, while the V-Power sold in Germany is 100 octane.

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