some honda autos get better mileage than manuals?

[dcb]

Originally Posted by Old Mechanic

My AT car is 11th overall for gasoline mileage

LOL, your AT car is a 2002 insight, and it is 10 mpg behind the leading MANUAL insight. That is a pretty sad example of how great the automatic is.

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And it is 15 MPG better than your car.

[dcb]

can I borrow your insight? Will you watch the kids for me?

[PaleMelanesian]

Originally Posted by Old Mechanic

Is that something like you poorly designed car drones, who make a big deal out of your % over EPA, when you choose a piece of junk that gets lousy mileage to begin with.

My AT car is 11th overall for gasoline mileage

And mine is 10th overall, right above yours. And I have 2 carseats in the back. Where do those go in an insight?

ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL, an automatic transmission of any sort can only match a manual.

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And 30 MPG better than Sentra's Sentra, and 23 better than his XB.

What bothers me the most is why we ecomodders, who should have the same objectives, seem to fall into the same pothole of slinging crap at each other.

It's a big turnoff to me to read some of the garbage, and I am sure it is to those who come here to learn.

The OP's observation was some of the new cars have better EPA ratings for autos than for manuals. Again we see a thread evolve into useless name calling and character assassination.

Why bother coming here to post my observations?

Sure I can use all the hypermiling techniques to double my mileage in a manual car, as long as I am willing to make the sacrifices necessary to achieve that goal (including illegal activities), and the car itself was not built with high mileage as its prime reason for existence.

When you assume that is my goal, you are making ass-umptions you can not justify with the facts you have available.

[dcb]

The fact remains that automatics suck, and have a long history of sucking, independent of your goals, sorry.

[shovel]

Originally Posted by dcb

The fact remains that automatics suck, and have a long history of sucking, independent of your goals, sorry.

Really? I kinda like them. A lot. Except in roadsters, then gimme 5 speeds and a console mounted stick plz!

[dcb]

Of course I am speaking from an ECO perspective.
They suck more gas so they are neither Economical or Ecological.

They are more complicated and cost more to build, so definately not Economical. I imagine there is also more markup on an automatic than a manual.

We are the only country in the world where grown men would whine that shifting and clutching constitutes "work". It is an embarrassment, consumers and engineers(quasi marketers) all need a bichslap. Not luddites, just tired of consumers being wasteful and engineers assuming consumers are too stupid to do things for themselves (and consumers obliging) and marketers pressing the peacock gene. It isn't a pretty picture.

It isn't hard to teach a robot how to shift, accelerate, and clutch (and/or just a well timed shift), and it could be made to do so efficiently under controlled conditions, but by the time it hits the consumer market, it will either be marginalized from an efficiency perspective, or remove all control from you and try to kill you, or both. A cvt that doesn't suck is still a long way off, and I would still want my hand on a ratio lever when they do figure out how to make an efficient one (and it better be able to coast, unlike the "smart" car).

[SentraSE-R]

Mech,

You've attacked me before for my choice of cars. Pretty disingenuous of you to attack me, and then claim others are bringing down this thread by attacking others. Everyone here runs what they brung. You don't walk on holier ground for bragging that your car rates #11 on the overall all-time list of cars. All it proves is you paid someone else to squeeze a smaller motor scooter engine into a tinnier aluminum sardine can, and you don't mind spewing NOX to pollute our air when you're in obsolete lean burn.

If anything, it proves you're a slacker for not putting any effort except money into your mpg effort. You're no different than the elitists who buy a Prius and drive it down the highway at 75 mph, holding your nose higher than anyone else on the highway. Big deal. I'm a lot more impressed with people who put an effort into getting better mpg, not someone who buys his way into it. Especially when that someone keeps on bragging about how much better mpg his purchase gets than the others in this thread.

[MetroMPG]

Guys, cut out the personal attacks and the attitude.

I don't care who started it.