Sorry. Not sorry.

[redpoint5]

I just don't know how yelling at the sky in the rain while asking for meth money is a better life.

[Fat Charlie]

Originally Posted by freebeard

IIRC there's nothing in The Constitution about political parties. I 'like' 3rd parties, currently the Birthday party, not the Libertarians.

I'm a fan of parties, too: the more, the merrier.

The Republicans should be broken up into probably four, and the Democrats into probably a dozen, maybe more depending on what week it is. They'd all be happier with themselves and would all have to learn to work together in coalitions that shifted based on actual issues, not ones that get engraved in stone every few decades. They'd quickly treat their "enemies" better because those would be the people they were working together with on other issues at the same time.

Can you see a Speaker or a Pro Tem who had the job for being able to reach out to people instead of being a machine politician with ideological purity?

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Fat Charlie

I'm a fan of parties, too: the more, the merrier.

I'll take it with a grain of salt, even though America needs to get rid of what may resemble the "puntofijismo" that led Venezuela to become povertry-ridden even before Chávez took over.

[freebeard]

Fat Charlie — ombudsman?

Ombudsman
An ombudsman, ombudsperson, ombud, or public advocate is an official who is charged with representing the interests of the public by investigating and addressing complaints of mal-administration or a violation of rights. The ombudsman is usually appointed by the government or by parliament but with a significant degree of independence.Wikipedia

Poland is an interesting case, here's Dr. Steve Truley on the election result. There is a resulting rebalance of the political party's alignments.

Poland’s Nationalist President TRIUMPHS Over Soros-Linked Liberal Challenger!!!
51,880 views•Jul 13, 2020

He traces Poland's leadership back to 2015, but I'm reminded that it was a Polish shipyard where the Soviet Union first slipped before it's fall.

This article lists current political parties in Poland, as well as former parties dating back as far as 1918. Since 1989, Poland has had a multi-party system, with numerous competing political parties. Individual parties normally do not manage to gain power alone, and usually work with other parties to form coalition governments.

[snip]

Since the parliamentary elections of 2005, the right-wing parties have dominated the political scene, and appear to be in their strongest position to date. Two important developments in the political landscape have taken place since 2005. Firstly, the SLD (Communist successor) party is no longer the major, or one of the two major parties. Secondly, the main political battleground is no longer between the ex-Solidarity right versus the ex-Communist left. The new competing groupings are those of the Law and Justice party (promoting economic interventionism and social conservatism) and the Civic Platform (representing a more liberal-conservative position). The general public disapproval of politics and politicians as a whole has resulted in almost all major parties excluding the very word "party" from their names, replacing it with words less associated with politics, such as "union", "platform", "league" or "alliance".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ties_in_Poland

[Fat Charlie]

We've got two parties here, each with its own internal gridlock. The two working against each other only produce more gridlock and distraction.

If they were broken up into their constituent parts, we could all get more done and cable news would have to find something else to do.

[Fat Charlie]

Originally Posted by freebeard

He traces Poland's leadership back to 2015, but I'm reminded that it was a Polish shipyard where the Soviet Union first slipped before it's fall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ties_in_Poland

Solidarity, Brother.



It's always been amusing that it was a trade union that brought about the downfall of a communist regime. Without opposition and cooperation, parties drift too far from the real world.

[redpoint5]

I champion gridlock because it slows the erosion of liberty. If we had efficiency, we’d all be living in padded white cells by now. Either that, or some bloody revolution that restores the notion that most decisions are best left with the individual or local government.

[Fat Charlie]

If one party can take the reins of government, yes. But with each party broken apart into its factions you would defeat the very premise of the Hastert Rule- any ruling coalition would dissolve if its factions were sufficiently independent to simply say no to things it really opposed. What we have now makes every faction a prisoner to the leaders of the party that the faction feels tied to- or rather, a prisoner to the most extreme faction of that party.

If the two parties were broken up into several their cooperation would be broad based... and limited. Efficiency would be based on things actually important to large groups, not tied to what one or two senators (or a bloc of 10 or so reps) want. Those fringe froups would be pushed to the fringes instead of being able to hold everyone else hostage because they happen to be in the party that happens to hold a majority at the moment.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Fat Charlie

Those fringe froups would be pushed to the fringes instead of being able to hold everyone else hostage because they happen to be in the party that happens to hold a majority at the moment.

Didn't really work that way in Brazil.

[freebeard]

Didn't really work that way in Brazil.

Just as the various States test variations on the national norm, for quality control, the various national governments test variations against the dystopian global alternative.

As it should be. What works in Poland might not work in Brazil. Just as what 'works' in NYC won't fly in Montana.