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Old 01-25-2019, 10:49 PM   #31 (permalink)
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That's basically where I am at with it now. 6A maximum draw from my i3 on the lowest 120V charge setting should be no problem for even the smallest propane generator. (Looking at the Ryobi FWIW.) It would take 24 hours for a full charge of my car, but I wouldn't be needing anywhere near that range unless it was bug-out time. Not really planning for that scenario though!
Scratch the Ryobi. I thought the 900W was sustained. Gonna have to look a little bigger than that. A 1500W sustained rating would be more realistic a rating for EV charging at 6A.

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Old 01-26-2019, 01:19 AM   #32 (permalink)
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HOAs are stupid. Do we really need more bureaucrats further restructuring what we do?
I want solar panels, I can do roof top, or ground mount or both.
Why see approval to do something with your own house or land, it boggles the mind.
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HOAs are stupid.
Well, if I were satisfied not being able to do whatever I want at home, I wouldn't complain so much about living in an apartment. HOAs are uncommon in my country, even though some gated housing complexes might also have some stupid rules, but AFAIK none preventing renewable energies to be individually implemented.
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Well, if I were satisfied not being able to do whatever I want at home, I wouldn't complain so much about living in an apartment. HOAs are uncommon in my country, even though some gated housing complexes might also have some stupid rules, but AFAIK none preventing renewable energies to be individually implemented.
No restrictions in the one I live in, and frankly, I didn't even ask before putting panels on my roof, as another neighbor already had some. (I'm also the president . . )

Regardless, I am settling on a new plan for the new panels. They are going to remain isolated from the house system and feed directly into a charge controller for 2 Model S modules to charge from. That'll provide almost 10kWh of backup power when full, but also more than enough to charge my car most days since I rarely go through even 1/4 of it's 22kWh capacity.

That also eliminates any need for even electrical permits if I install it all in a way to be portable or temporary as far as the county is concerned.

I honestly really dig the idea of being able to say that it costs me literally nothing to drive my car on the average day.
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Unless the solar panels fall like mana from the sky, you literally can't say it cost you nothing to drive EVs (model Ses?)
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Unless the solar panels fall like mana from the sky, you literally can't say it cost you nothing to drive EVs (model Ses?)
Everything costs something. Walking out to your mailbox, wiping your butt, etc. .

Once the investment is there however, it is only limited by it's longevity, not how much it is utilized.
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'Energy Futures' with no down side perhaps . .
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Unless the solar panels fall like mana from the sky, you literally can't say it cost you nothing to drive EVs (model Ses?)
I think this is the future of solar. My house needs an 8 KW system to reach zero electric bill.

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Once the investment is there however, it is only limited by it's longevity, not how much it is utilized.
Unless it's been changed, your electricity billing company must pay for your excess conditioned power that you feed back into the grid, at the same rate at which they purchase the KWs to send to you. That is how you can get a zero or better electric bill. Usually, given a system with sufficient excess KW, the payback/break even period can be as short as 6 years. That's when solar becomes free. https://news.energysage.com/understa...ayback-period/
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Unless it's been changed, your electricity billing company must pay for your excess conditioned power that you feed back into the grid, at the same rate at which they purchase the KWs to send to you. That is how you can get a zero or better electric bill. Usually, given a system with sufficient excess KW, the payback/break even period can be as short as 6 years. That's when solar becomes free. https://news.energysage.com/understa...ayback-period/
6 years is optimistic. Unless one is willing to DIY the whole thing, 8-10 is more realistic if subsidies from one's state are close to the federal credit.

E.g., power is pretty inexpensive here in Eugene, Oregon at about $0.10, so I'm looking at a payback of close to 8-9 years on my original professionally installed system after 60% combined tax credits given what production I have seen so far. Living where it is 20 cents would obviously cut that in half with similar subsidies. (But only a handful of states compare to Oregon's now expired credit.)

The reality is that even if the payback period is 15-20 years, it's still money ahead through lowered bills, and usually as much as the cost of the system installed lumped on top of the value of the property when sold or refinanced.

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