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Old 12-30-2016, 10:28 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I have been looking at this thread for quite some time because I bought a slightly used 2014 Honda CRZ and it has the factory Dunlop tires (195/55/16)

I'm thinking about putting on a set of the Michelin AS energy savers in 205/65/16

Now I know this is oversized, duh! But I read nothing about them causing any rubbing issues, so I assume there are not any rubbing issues ...correct?

I have many motivations to switch to this size besides better gas milage, and they are: better traction in snow, I recently found out the factory tires had poor traction in snow evan though they have only 16,000 miles on them.

2. Better resistance to potential damage from potholes, having a treadwall that is 65 instead of 55 is over an inch more between my rim and the edge of nasty pavement.

3. I surmise that having a tire that has an overall diameter which is about 2" taller is going to make the ride less jittery, and that is less noise too.

So, I have looked about on google images, and can not find any pics of a Honda CRZ with the stock rims but with the taller 65 treadwall tires, I'd imagine it will look better..but i can't find a pic...anybody? This should give the appearance closer to a cross-over vehicle, should lessen the gap between the fender and the tire as it would do if it had lowering springs.

Yesterday after work i drove it to Discount Tire, I'd been doing business with them for decades..really trust them. And as I suspected, he'd say "that won't fit".. and guess what? He said "that won't fit".. So with that said, I said there is a forum (this one) and at least one poster said this size will fit. I'd been thru this putting wheels and tires on my '12 Camaro, it was like being on trial..had to tell them dozen's have put the size I want with no rubbing issues..

So I expect "yes they fit, no rub issues"..that said let's go from there..the
tires I'm told will have a $75 rebate from Jan 1 to the 14th so I said I'd possibly come back next week. He also told me they offer the same tire with a higher speed rating, will look into that later.

BTW Discount tire does not offer siping service anymore, a process which cuts micro grooves into the treads to get better traction.

Other tires of that size that interested me were the Continental "pure contact", similar to the Michelin's in that they are an energy saver rated tire and have an evan higher treadwear rating, slightly greater speed rating. The price was lower but with the $75 rebate (only avail. when buying 4 tires)..than the Michelin's would cost less.

Driving the Honda now about 1K miles, I find the "sport" mode to be a bit too
high rev. so if I'm lowering my revs with the taller tires than it might seem to be more useable. Mine is an automatic so I'm not concerned about more clutch wear and tear.

BTW, one of my tires has a slice in the sidewall, it's not buldging now but it could lead to a blow out, just another reason to motivate me toward other tires. The Honda CRZ forum does not regard the factory Dunlop tires very highly. It seems nobody at the Honda CRZ forum is at all interested in this type of tire/wheel size, they all went to 17" or 18" rims with lower treadwalls and or lowering springs. This thread was found doing a google search for "taller treadwall or taller tires...honda crz"..images..

I highly recommend Discount tire, I've bought tires and wheels from them on my last 4 cars over the last 24 years, they never ripped me off (to say the least)...and the life time warranty is really a great deal. That other place has the "out the door" price..yeah, they told me the price and I went out the door

On one hand I hate to replace tires with only 16K miles on them, I guess a salvage yard may give me a few bucks for them,..but on other hand the benefits might actually be worth it, btw my 1st post..t.i.a. and H.N.Y!

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Old 12-30-2016, 11:48 PM   #62 (permalink)
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it is easy to tell.
The biggest problem will be the strut tower. is it over the tire or behind the tire.
On my Q45 the bottom of the tower was just over the tire. I only had about 1" of clearance.
you should be able to feel around the tire and see what parts are close to touching.

btw, my tire guy mounted up the size I wanted (before I ordered the set of 4) and made sure it didn't hit anything. your tire guy should do that if you are a good customer.

and yes, I was VERY pleased w the results of 'upsizing' on the Q45. Better mileage, better look, little better ride(Q45 had electronic shocks so it had a pretty smooth ride to startwith)
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just goes to show you economy wasn't the priority for the CRZ... otherwise the gear(s) would have been taller.It's great that you figured that out and compensated with taller tires! I know I'm a few years late on seeing this...
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Took my Honda CRZ into Discount Tire today to have the 205/65/16s put on, did not fit, not evan close. They put one on the front, lowered it, it rubed hard against the whole inner wheel weld. What is up, did original poster do something to moddify his car to fit such as the wheel welds?

I said something about "spacers" and they explained that would leave less of the lugs so they could strip over time, so that was no go.

My Honda has the factory wheels, maybe I'd have to get aftermarket wheels with a different offset? I have not re-read the original posters post but I am pretty sure he said "on the factory wheels"..sooo..what am I missing here?

They said I could go with smaller tires but I said that was the whole reason to get them in the first place. They said they could try putting on a 205/60/16 but if it rubs while I'm driving it than I'd not be covered (or to that effect I'd be taking the hit). Note: them lowering the car and feeling to see if they rub is not the same as it being driven, which means, on corners or when hitting bumps, turning, they could rub. I experienced that kind of issue on one of my cars when I had a flat during a trip and went to the nearest department store which put on a set that had a taller treadwall and perhaps a bit wider..looked cool, but soon I noticed a rubbing sound...When I got home, I took it to Discount tire and..I don't know how they did this, but they put what I paid for those tires at Wallmart toward a set that fit? Not the first or only time they bent over backwards to help me..

BTW I had decided to have my factory tire put back on, I did not purchase any new tires at this time, they gave me back my $100 deposit I had on them (transferred stock from another store).. they did not charge me one thin dime for all that trouble and non-sence. They didn't even try to make me feel like the fool that I was, but I was doing a pretty good job of that myself which is why I keep going back to them.

I have not looked into this but I wonder if I had new springs put on it to raise it up about 1 1/4". This is going to be difficult to research because everybody else that does mods to the wheels and tires is doing the exact opposite; putting on larger wheels, shorter treadwalls and or lowering the suspension either by changing the springs or converting to coil-over springs. I think it would be cool to have it raised up sorta like a compact SUV.

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Every year model is a little different,

Sometimes shock/spring spacers help, other times different offsets help

Other times the wheel well is just too small.

A hint though
185/65, 195/65 and 195/60
Are both very common energy saver sizes , a little is better than nothing.

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......185/65, 195/65 and 195/60
Are both very common energy saver sizes.....
Never worried about energy saver tires, but got used tires, 15 inch wheels, & switched our 195x65x15 inch tires from our Elantra to our 2008 Hyundai Accent front, which originated with 175x65x14 inch wheels/tires. Found some 195x60x15 tires & they are on the Accent rear. Last summer, the EPA-rated highway 32MPG Accent got 18 tanks of gas in row, that were 40+MPG(no MPG computer). Our previous high tank in 10+ years was 45MPG. Our highest tanks in the 18 straight tanks, was 45, 47+ & 48+MPG.
On the Elantra got used 17 inch wheels with 225x55x17 inch tires, & 18 inch used wheels with 225x45x18 inch tires. The Elantra has a 6speed tranny, & 60 MPH rpms dropped from 2030 to 1900. With the much wider tires, I note no overall MPG loss. Under slower driving conditions, MPG went up.

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But there are a couple of extra variables that are clouding the picture
Michelin 205/65R16 Energy Saver A/S are 8.6% taller for an increase in travel, but 5.12% wider for more rolling resistance than the Dunlop 195/55R16 SP Sport A/S.
combined, you should get 8.16% better mileage, but you are getting only 5.7% better mileage, so there is another factor fighting the increased mileage. It might be the 8.6%increase in air going under your car. Better results might be obtained if you could keep the ground clearance the same.

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