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Old 03-13-2019, 08:14 AM   #31 (permalink)
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It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law.

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Old 03-13-2019, 11:54 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Cd vs CDA

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Lowest drag coefficient ever offered for sale in North America, not lowest drag. If I'm not mistaken, that honor still belongs to the original Honda Insight by virtue of its small cross-sectional area (it's a full 3" shorter and 7" narrower than the Model 3).

ETA: I remembered, and double-checked just now, that Tesla now advertises CD .23 for the Model S as well, while the Model X has been bumped up to CD .25 with the fixed spoiler.
You're correct.The drag index of the 1st-gen Insight probably trumps that of the Tesla.
CAR and DRIVER attributed a higher Cd to the Insight,than what Honda claimed,(I think Cd 0.30,( re:'Drag Queens' article,from A2 wind tunnel testing),but the Honda's frontal area is just a bit above the 1st-gen CRX,so it's overall drag is pretty sweet!
Shame about the XL-1.VW could have done it in stamped-steel and glass,and mass-produced it, as a plug-and-play-optioned car for $10,000-up.It would still get over 100-mpg HWY,even with gasoline power.
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Old 03-15-2019, 04:44 AM   #33 (permalink)
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https://www.tesla.com/modely

A Cd of 0.23... for a SUV!

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-y-specs-batteries-range-price/

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the Model Y is a larger, somewhat bulkier version of the Model 3. Inside the vehicle, the Model Y is all Model 3, with the dashboard being dominated by the same 15″ touchscreen, which controls the majority of the vehicle’s functions. The Tesla Model Y is an SUV that [optionally] seats seven passengers comfortably, and it has 66 cu ft of cargo space.
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The Model Y comes in four variants: the Standard Range, Long Range, Dual Motor AWD, and Performance versions.
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The Model Y is built to be fully compatible with the Supercharger V3 network, which supports charging at 250 kW. This translates to a charging speed of up to 1,000 miles per hour
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The Model Y is expected to enter production sometime in Fall 2020, with the company producing the Long Range, Dual Motor AWD, and Performance versions first. The Standard Range hits production in Spring 2021. The Model Y starts at $39,000 for the base variant and $47,000 for the Long Range version. A Dual Motor AWD version costs $51,000 and a Performance variant will be priced at $60,000.
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It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law.

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Old 03-15-2019, 10:16 AM   #34 (permalink)
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So they took the Model 3, sliced it horizontally, added a couple of inches, then called it a day. It looks dated already 2 years from launch.

At least Musk is being honest and saying the base model won’t be available for at least a year from launch.

This design will pull a LOT of sales from the Model 3.
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Ha. If that looks dated, I'd like to be its date

The design may look similar to the 3, but there are important differences.
The Model Y is a hatchback.
See the line over the rear quarter panel between the tail light and the side window, and high up on the rear window.
The hatch lid is huge. You can move house with that.

It seats 7 (optionally). The doors seem set slightly forward, the chairs probably are too; it must have higher seats, winning leg room.

Judging by the 230 mile range for the Standard range, it probably uses the same pack as the lighter and lower 264 mile Medium range Model 3 (62 kWh).

Don't worry for the Model 3 though. It is cheaper, that will never lose appeal.
The Model Y Standard range won't be built until 2021. Lease drivers can't wait for that when their new lease is due.
Model 3 versions cheaper than €50,000 will come available soon; our lease market will go crazy for them, especially since diesels are on their way out.
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It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law.

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Old 03-15-2019, 12:06 PM   #36 (permalink)
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still vapourware, and wouldn't buy one even if I could.
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0-60 in 3.5 seconds in a CUV is yawn?

I don't know you you get out of bed then.

If Tesla can make these performance machines, I hope we'll soon see the "economy" version of EVs. Where are the $20k EVs?
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still vapourware, and wouldn't buy one even if I could.
You think they can't build it? Having 75% of the parts in common with the Model 3 they've built 220,000 times already?

Oh I get is it was a joke
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.... Where are the $20k EVs?
Obviously a reasonably ranged(200 miles?) battery pack still precludes the $20K EV. However my thoughts are that a lot of the creature features that these vehicles include could be done away with.

You guys have to help me out here but the only model 3 I was in had power everything....windows, locks, etc. Any base EV's that don't have power stuff(i.e. extra little motors)? I say go old school and make those manual again and eliminate all the little motors and solenoids that will likely wear out faster than the manual version in the first place..

I would imagine that software costs more than hardware up front and that over time it becomes much less expensive than the hardware since it can be installed in tiny little spaces in on board memory. But I really don't need(or want) a car that parks itself, drives itself, talks to me or anything else that that I can easily do myself.

While I'm sure everyone appreciates the massive amounts of acceleration and power of Tesla's motors, they simply do not need to be that powerful. Look at the vehicles we had in the past with their fifty or sixty hp engines. Unless they were severely under powered they did just fine for basic transportation. So smaller motors mean less expensive motors and less weight in the car and less expensive controllers. Basically all power control components can be sized down and then cost less.

I don't know what sort of equipment comes in other EV's so I can't comment on them but in general it just seems to me that EV cost is so high simply because they have too many gadgets even for the low cost versions. No one wants just a base package, bare bones unit anymore.

It is possible the reason EV's are so much more expensive than comparative ICE vehicles is because they have to perform so much better than ICE vehicles just to be accepted by the general public. Even today I still here the same old tired arguments against EV's. What happens if your battery gets too low? Well the same thing that happens if you run out of gas. You're stuck until you get a recharge or a tow. I will say I wouldn't want to pay $30 K or even $20 K for an around town car. That's what a used Leaf is for.

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Looks like it does have a liftback-type rear opening. I was a little worried that, in order to keep the glass roof profile, they'd just make it a taller model 3 with a trunklike opening in the back. But it seems to hinge right above those C windows in the back.

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