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Old 03-07-2009, 07:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question For those who have done the fuel injector cutoff -

I did the fuel injector cutoff. I'm not sure if I did it wrong or what, but my cylinder number two valves are toasted or bent, according to a Power Balance test. So here's my question:

Has anyone who has done this modification had any negative experiences afterwords, that could possibly be caused by the injector cutoff?

I have yet to see any concrete evidence that says " It will break your engine, here's how it will...". So now I'm asking. Have YOU had any problems?

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Old 03-12-2009, 12:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Has anybody had any problems? Anybody? Even anything that didn't seem odd?
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:38 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't think anyone ran on 2 long enough to cause problems. We could tell it was the road to nowhere pretty quickly.

As to your problem, I don't see how the cutoff could have had anything to do with it.
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I don't think anyone ran on 2 long enough to cause problems. We could tell it was the road to nowhere pretty quickly.

As to your problem, I don't see how the cutoff could have had anything to do with it.
Road to nowhere?

I'm getting the impression now that the cutoff has nothing to do with my problem. The car's prior owner beat the crud out of it. I may not have compression on cylinders two and four, and on three and one, the compression may only be 70psi ( I say may because the compression tester used was questionable. Had to flick the gauge to get a reading, so it'll be redone soon hopefully). I hope I don't get in trouble to this, but I'll post a quote from somebody who says the fuel cutoff on a 4 cylinder is a horrible idea.

''adding a cutoff switch to a fuel injector was about the stupidest thing you could have done to your motor.

touching the distributor without using a timing light and adjusting it the proper way with the service connector and exact idle rpm was the second stupidest thing you have done to your motor.

not keeping the valve lash clearances within spec at all times was the third stupidest thing you've done to your motor.

the combination of these 3 things is what cooked your valves, and probably damaged a few other things in the process.

engines need to maintain a specific balance at all times. altering anything by a large amount will throw off this balance. shutting off the fuel supply to one cylinder will have the largest affect on the balance of everything. any alteration to the balance of the motor will destroy nearly every internal moving part imaginable. im referring to actual balance by the way, in regards to weight, momentum, constant forces, pulsed forces, timing events of the pulses, etc etc

when you shut off an injector, even though it is no longer injecting anything, there is still fuel present that hasnt fully burned off. for the next several combustion strokes after shutting the injector off, its still sparking, its still getting air, and its still getting fuel but only a very very minor amount of fuel aka running lean as all holy ****, which will definitely melt everything in the vicinity of the combustion chamber.

you advanced your distributor by rotating it counterclockwise. but the question is do you have any idea if you advanced it closer to stock timing (previously too retarded, now closer to perfect) or if you advanced it beyond stock timing (previously near perfect, now way too advanced). and i know you can't answer that question because you didnt use a timing light, so you have no idea where it was previously and you have no idea where it is now. doing this is simply begging to make your engine's internals become externals.

never once mentioning doing a valve lash adjustment tells me your valve lash clearances are guaranteed to not be within spec. too loose of a clearance will cause a poorly running engine, and will cause damage to the rockers and the cams. too tight of a clearance will cause burned valves and burned valve seats, which will require removing and stripping the head, getting a valve job done (re-cutting the valve seats), and replacing all the valves. it also destroys the valve seals.

when it comes to engines, not listening to those that know will usually cost you a pretty heavy amount of damage. you're obviously the type of person that likes to try things on your own just to see what happens without caring what anyone else tells you. and in most real-world situations that can be very beneficial if you use some common sense after learning some things from the outcome. but when it comes to motors, there is a right way and a wrong way. the knowledgable people will tell you the right way of doing things. anything else is the wrong way, and WILL cause severe engine damage. the recommended intervals for specific maintainance procedures is considered advice from those that know. and if you dont know when something was done last, act as if it is past due, and do it.

properly set ignition timing and properly adjusted valve lash clearances are the two most important things in a honda motor, even more important than changing the oil at all let alone changing it at the proper mileage/time interval.''

I'm also hearing that it will cause the ECU to run lean, and burn everything out. That makes sense in a way. Also, I was worrying about warping, but that doesn't concern me, as long as I've got my coolant topped up.

Edit- I forgot to mention I also messed with my dizzy, but that was after the initial install. It's gone... fifty miles(?) so far with it advanced. I did that for a slight power gain when I'm running on two.

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There were so many errors in that guy's litany that I couldn't finish reading it.
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Shutting off fuel to just one cylinder might cause a problem with temperature imbalance, but shutting off all of the injectors happens all the time--it's called DFCO.
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DFCO? Dual Fuel Cut Off?

The main concern is that it's on a straight four. I understand the balance issues, but when it's cut off properly, it really doesn't make much of a difference.

It's actually really funny to post this on the prelude website. You get people arguing ''Why do this?! Where's the power?!''. Don't need 100Hp when you're going down a hill.. Seriously.

But there shouldn't be any problems with this? I've talked to a lot of people who say it's a bad idea, including a repair technician who's been at it for a while, but don't know what will happen. I'll even admit, it does sound hard on the engine, but I don't see what would cause any problems, aside from a lack of power, the potential for warping/temperature difference, and the running rich condition. I think I said lean up there somewhere (oops). Sadly, I can't run the fuel cutoff right now anyways. My engine is just dying on me.
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DFCO? Dual Fuel Cut Off?

The main concern is that it's on a straight four. I understand the balance issues, but when it's cut off properly, it really doesn't make much of a difference.
I'm with Frank, too many errors in the diatribe.

From the Glossary link (at the top of each page here.)
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Deceleration Fuel Cut Off, a condition where fuel injection stops when the accelerator is released and engine speed is above a target determined by the computer. The engine continues turning via the transmission, driven by the vehicle's momentum. Once below the threshold engine speed (1300-1500ish rpm), fuel injection resumes allowing the engine to continue to run.
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If you're shutting off all cylinders simultaneously I don't see a problem either (forced engine-off coasting, EOC).

If you're only shutting off a pair of cylinders while under load I see that as very bad. New engine designs that do this also hang a valve open on the cylinders when those injectors are shut off to prevent pumping losses when not generating power.

Hondas are sensitive to valve clearance settings and typically run a lot tighter than "normal" engines. Depending on engine design some of them can tighten up with wear which will toast the valves by failing to seat them in the head with enough force to seal against combustion pressure.

Running timing too advanced for your engine is bad because it could cause undetectable preignition, especially if you're running it as a 2cyl you might not hear the spark knocking over the externally-induced vibration.

Run fuel injector cutoff on ALL cylinders, or none at all. And properly maintain your engine for best economy.
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New engine designs that do this also hang a valve open on the cylinders when those injectors are shut off to prevent pumping losses when not generating power.
No they don't. Both valves/cyl when deactivated are closed.

Time to crack open an engineering book...?

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