Where to buy pad type engine block heaters?

[Piwoslaw]

Originally Posted by noxman

I absolute have no idea, how this pads works. On the web sites i can't search description how it exactly works. Can you explain ? Thanx

You glue the heating pad to your engine's oil pan (bottom of the engine). The pad can then be plugged into the electrical grid (230-250 volts in Europe), warming the engine oil. The heat may then rise to the rest of the engine, but the important thing is that your oil is not so cold and thick, so your engine gets less wear after start-up. Also, the more you pre-heat the engine, the less fuel it will consume and the faster it will get to its optimal operating temperature. These heating pads are usually 50-200 watts, which isn't enough to get your engine really hot, but should make a difference after 1-2 hours of use.

Similarly, warming up your transmission makes it work better after starting the engine.

[Piwoslaw]

OK, I sent an e-mail to Kat's, Titan, and Wolverine, asking for pricing to Europe. I asked for 230-250V, cable without plug, for oil pans (100-150W) and transmissions (60-80W), and maybe battery pads. I asked about batch orders (4-5 oil pan heaters and 3-4 trans heaters). I also asked if they know anything about customs fees.

If all goes well, maybe we'll have pad heaters for by winter's end

I didn't write to Moroso, since their e-mail seems to be well-hidden.

Vekke sent me a link to a company that makes oil pan heaters (Phillips & Temro - oil pan heaters). These are heating elements that you mount inside your oil pan - more efficient than heating pads, it would seem, but they advise:

To prevent damage to the heater and the engine oil, this type of heater should only be used to keep engine oil warm, not to warm engine oil that is already cold.

[DonR]

Originally Posted by brucey

Can these be mounted on a transmission pan easily? Even if it's not flat? (checkered design) Would it be worth it on an automatic? I notice with the block heater now even with the engine warmed up the transmission still doesn't like to shift for a few miles.

I read on Wolverine's sight about the diamond pattern. They say to use a steel filled epoxy to smooth out the spot where the heater will go.

Don

[Piwoslaw]

I've got two answers already The first is from Titan:

Thank you for visiting our web site and requesting pricing on the range of oil pan heaters.

The PDF attachments are provided for your review.

Oil Pan Heaters

Our oil pan heaters are thin, flexible heating pads that are permanently bonded to the bottom or side of the oil pan. The heater has the special adhesive already on it, by simply peeling off the protective backing and pressing the heater firmly in place on a clean, flat surface, the heater is ready to be used. Note the heater must be installed on a smooth flat area, free of grooves and ridges. Only to be installed on metal oil pans.

No special tools or skills are required. Everything for a complete installation is included with each heater.

An Oil Pan Heater is far superior to a block heater and more efficient as a block heater only "warms" a part of the engine not all the engine.

An Oil Pan Heater "heats" the complete engine starting at the bottom.

The hot oil heats the crankshaft, which in turn heats the connecting rods, pistons and cylinder heads. Remember "heat" rises.

In 2 hours, our oil pan heaters can raise the engine oil temperature 100F / 40C.

By installing an Oil Pan Heater, the engine will start easier and there will be less engine wear.

Please refer to the attached catalogue to determine the appropriate model.

Filter Heater Model

Our FH-50 is a flexible heating pad designed to be installed on fuel, lube oil and hydraulic filters. It is easy to install and remove as it is held in place with Velcro straps.

The heater operates on 12 volts, produces 50 watts and draws 4 amps. It is designed for filters with a diameter of 3.5" to 5.0".

The FH-100 heater operates either on 12 volts or 24 volts, produces 100 watts. It is designed for filters with a diameter of 3.5" to 5.0".

Battery Warmer

They are of similar design as the oil pan heaters, without the adhesive. They are installed under the battery so they are very easy to install. Available in 110 volt or 240 volt, the BH-60 has an output of 60 watts, which will keep the battery warm and prevent overheating. The BH-60 measures 5.5" x 8.5" and is suitable for most vehicles and trucks. By installing a Battery Warmer, the efficiency of the battery will be increased to give you reliable starting ability on the coldest days. (not to be installed in insulated battery boxes).

Heater-Stat

To automatically control the Oil Pan Heater we offer the optional Heater-Stat, model HS-3. The HS-3 will turn ON the heater(s) when the ambient temperature falls below 35F/2C and will stay ON until the temperature warms up to 45F/7C. The HS-3 is rated for 1800 watts, so one unit can handle an Oil Pan Heater and our Battery Warmer.

We offer a 3 year limited warranty on the units.

Pricing

Model, Description, CAD $

Oil Pan Heaters

TH50-1, 120 VAC 50 watts 1.25" x 3.5", 55.00

TH125R-1, 120 VAC 125 Watt 3" dia round, 62.00

TH125L-1, 120VAC 125 Watt 1.5"x6", 62.00

TH125R-2, 240VAC 125 Watt 3" dia round, 62.00

TH125L-2, 240VAC 125 Watt 1.5"x6" 1.0A, 62.00

TH250-1, 120VAC 250 watts 4.5" x 3.5", 78.00

TH250-2, 240VAC 250 watts 4.5" x 3.5", 78.00

TH500-1, 120VAC 500 watts 5" x 7", 106.00

TH500-2, 240VAC 500 watts 5" x 7", 106.00

TH1000-1, 120VAC 1000 watts 10.75" x 6", 144.00

TH1000-2, 240VAC 1000 watts 10.75" x 6", 144.00

Other Heating Products

THB60-1, Battery Warmer 120VAC, 44.00

THB60-2, Battery Warmer 240VAC, 44.00

THF50-12, Filter Heater 12VDC 50 watts, 72.50

THF100-12, Filter Heater 12VDC 100 watts, 77.50

THF100-24, Filter Heater 24VDC 100 watts, 77.50

HS-3, Thermostatic Controller, 23.00

DC Oil Pan Heaters

TH50-12, 12VDC 50 Watt, 65.00

TH125-12, 12VDC 125 Watt, 77.50

TH250-12, 12VDC 250 Watt, 87.50

Starter Kits

TH125R-1Kit, Save CAD4.50, 124.50

TH125L-1Kit, Save CAD4.50, 124.50

TH250-1Kit, Save CAD5.00, 140.00

TH500-1Kit, Save CAD5.50, 167.50

Starter kit comprises pad heater, battery warmer & thermostat controller.

If you wish to be a reseller we offer a 20% discount with a minimum order of $500.00.

Pricing is in Canadian dollars; shipping to Europe starts at $20.00 but this cost is dependent upon quantity ordered &.delivery method

To order, please complete the attached electronic form and email or fax it to us or call to place your order.

For your convenience we accept Visa, Master Card, American Express and PayPal.

If you have any questions, please contact us.

Regards
Michael

The second from Wolverine:

your email to Wolverine Heaters has been forwarded to ourselves are we are responsible for sales in Europe.

Engine Oil Heaters.

Our Engine Oil Heaters are thin, flexible heating pads that are permanently bonded to the bottom or side of the oil sump. The heater has the special adhesive already on it, by simply peeling off the protective backing and pressing the heater firmly in place on a clean, flat surface, the heater is ready to be used. Note the heater must be installed on a smooth flat area, free of grooves and ridges. Only to be installed on metal oil sumps.

No special tools or skills are required. Except for the plug, everything for a complete installation is included with each heater.

An Engine Oil Heater is far superior to a block heater and more efficient as a block heater only "warms" a part of the engine not the complete engine.

An Engine Oil Heater "heats" all the engine starting at the bottom.

The hot oil heats the crankshaft, which in turn heats the connecting rods, pistons and cylinder heads. Remember "heat rises”.

In 2 hours, an engine oil heater can raise the engine oil temperature 40°C.

By installing an Engine Oil Heaters, your engine will start easier and there will be less engine wear and less emissions on startup.

The smallest heater we have is the 50 watt, model 4.5-120 It is only available in 120 volts so you would need a small transformer.

Our 240 volt heaters are as follows. They are supplied without an electrical plug.

The model 9.0-240 measures 7.5 cm (3.0”) diam. and is designed for engines with an oil capacity of 2-4 ltrs.

The model 9.1-240 measures 4 x 15 cm (1.5”x6”). and is designed for engines with an oil capacity of 2-4 ltrs.

The model 16-240 measures 10x11.5 cm (4”x4.5”) and is designed for engines with an oil capacity of 5-14 ltrs

The model 40-240 measures 15x18 cm (10”x11.5”) and is designed for engines with an oil capacity of14-25 ltrs

The model 80-240 measures 15x30 cm (6”x12”) and is designed for engines with an oil capacity of 25-50 ltrs.


Note: All heaters require a smooth flat surface on the side or bottom of the oil sump for installation.

Filter Heaters.

Our Filter Heaters are flexible heating pads designed to be installed on fuel, lube oil and hydraulic filters. They are easy to install and remove using Velcro straps to keep the heater in place.

There are two sizes available, both are 12 volt d.c.

FHS50. This is a 50 watt heater, draws 4 amps and is designed for filters with a diam. of 6 - 9 cm (2.5”- 3.5”)

FH100. This is a 100 watt heater, draws 8 amps and is designed for filters with a diam.of 9 -12cm (3.5”- 4.75”)

Battery Warmers.

Our Battery Warmers are of similar design as the engine oil heaters, without the adhesive. They are installed under the battery so they are very easy to install. The BH-60 is 60 watts, which will keep the battery warm and prevent overheating. The BH-60 measures 14 cm x 21.50 cm and is suitable for most vehicles and trucks. By installing a Battery Warmer, the efficiency of the battery will be increased to give you reliable starting ability on the coldest days. (Not to be installed in insulated battery boxes).

Pricing:

Model 4.5-120 Engine Oil Heater $49.00 usd
Model 9.0/9.1-240 Engine Oil Heater $55.00 usd

Model 16-240 Engine Oil Heater $65.00 usd
Model 40-240 Engine Oil Heater $90.00 usd
Model 80-240 Engine Oil Heater $120.00usd
Model FHS-50 Filter Heater $49.00 usd

Model FH-100 Filter Heater $65.00 usd

Model BH-60 Battery Warmer $30.00 usd

Shipping: Please advise the number of heaters you wish to purchase and we will advise shipping costs.

Example: To send one model 9.0-240 to Poland is $10.00
Prices are in USD.

Confirming we will offer you a discount based on the number of heaters you wish to purchase.

Delivery: Stock

Ordering:

We accept, Visa, Master Card and PayPal. (You do NOT need a PayPal account to pay by this secure method)

If you have any questions, please contact us.

Regards
David

International Diesel Group Inc.

Toronto, ON. Canada

Engine Oil Heaters - Filter Heaters - Battery Warmers. For use on diesel and petrol engines, fuel, biodiesel and hydraulic filters as well as engine starting batteries.

Hmm, if we can order directly from Wolverine's UK branch, then maybe that would take care of customs, etc. But then, why did they give prices in USD?

I'll add that today's exchange rates put
1 CAD = 0.74 EUR = 0.63 GBP = 0.99 USD

[vtec-e]

I'm in! let me know when you are going to buy.

[brucepick]

I'm definitely interested. As I'm in the good ol' USA I expect I'll purchase directly from one of the suppliers already noted.

Thank you for digging up the information!

Hey - I found this on Amazon. Just search on "oil pan heater".
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dautomotive&field-keywords=Oil+Pan+Heater&x=11&y=16
These prices look real good.

[Piwoslaw]

Yeah, there are some good deals on Amazon, but it's not much of an option outside of North America. I checked shipping to Europe and you pay "per shipment" plus "per item". For books/CDs it's $3.99 plus $3.99/$2.49 (resp.), but for automotive it's $6.99 plus $1.99/lb. Geez, a pad heater is the size and weight of a book On the other hand, in certain cases it may be an option if you can find just what you want, in the right quantity, and at a good price.

[brucepick]

I was reading metrompg's thread on coolant-heating block heaters.
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...-warm-817.html

Even with an 800 watt heater it took an hour to warm the 1 liter (approx) engine from 30 deg. F to 123-146 deg. F, depending on whether or not he idled the engine briefly every 15 minutes during the heatup.

So - while I'm still planning on getting a 125W stick-on oil pan heater, and maybe a 50-75 watt additional one to put on a second flat spot on the oil pan, I'm beginning to wonder how much help these little heaters can give us. OK, if your engine is bigger you can use a 250-350W oil pan heater but that's still nowhere near the output of the 800W one he used in the Metro.

I still want to try it. Next step, to tell the good wife that I'm going to spend about $75 on my FE obsession...

[Piwoslaw]

Brucepick - pad heaters won't get your engine hot by themselves, they are meant to work in tandem with a block/coolant heater, not to replace it. But with or without high power heaters, a pad will make your oil less viscous, reducing the wear on a cold start.

[puddleglum]

So, has anyone used the Kats pad heaters that they sell on Amazon and Ebay long enough to know if they work well. The Price is definitely better than the Wolverine ones.