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Old 06-04-2020, 12:56 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Is that picture with the hand in it in front of or behind the wheel? Ahead of the wheel, some taper could help the break-over angle. Curvature would probably help.
It's in front of the wheel. I think if I were to do this for real, I would use ABS so I could bend it, and just make 1 big piece.

I'm also considering finding some sort of "dope" I could use with cotton fabric, sort of poor-man's fiberglass without actually having to use fiberglass.

Wondering if wood glue on cotton, then sprayed with several layers of paint would be weather resistant enough.......

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Wood glue is the 'folk remedy' approach. Fabric covered aircraft used dope.
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Aircraft dope is a plasticised lacquer that is applied to fabric-covered aircraft. It tightens and stiffens fabric stretched over airframes, which renders them airtight and weatherproof. Typical doping agents include nitrocellulose, cellulose acetate and cellulose acetate butyrate.
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Exactly what I meant---just hoping to find a less toxic/much cheaper option.
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Pretty much anything that shrinks when drying is useable on fabric. I have used acrylic house paint and old fashioned oil based. Polyurethane works too. I also have used epoxied cotton as a poor man's 'glass.

If you use cotton fabric it needs to be raw, 8-10 oz per square yard and not grieged , wetted to shrink. Most fabric shops have a dacron fabric in this weight that also heat shrinks using a hot air gun.
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I missed that you used the word. Guess I'm the dope?
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Who me? I attempt to avoid using the cellulose based paints, but I still have a gallon of tampa green aerogloss, a gallon of nitrate, and some clear with aluminum flakes left over from my Pacer recover. Suprising how fast aircraft covering burns.
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Lots of stuff in the works but nothing to take pictures of at this exact moment; went through some personal life struggles for the last few months, as seems to be common. Finally pulling through to the other side and getting my life back in order. Over the last week, as a matter of fact.

Most of the work I've done lately has been on my aquarium, not my car!


At this point in time, I'm getting ready to start carving foam into air splitters and boat tails to go in front of, and behind, my wheels. Then I'm going to see if I can find a shop nearby that does vacuum forming for a reasonable price.

My idea is to leave the foam inside for added rigidity. I'm also still trying to source some 5 or 6 inch rubber strips for a price I'm willing to pay to help close up the rear wheel arch, and to extend the proposed boattail/splitter pieces all the way down to within a couple inches of the ground.

Thank you for asking, I'll be back soon.
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Throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks w/ respect to tire boattails.

Hello everyone. Been a hot minute since I've done anything productive on the Leaf; but seeing my numbers drop precipitously from my summer highs has motivated me once again.

So looking at the Leaf overall, I think there's a lot of room for improvement if I included front/rear wheel boattailing. As with a lot of us, I'm looking to Volkswagen who did their homework on the XL-1 to inspire a lot of my work.


The VW XL-1.

I noticed something. They seem to focus more on the leading edges of the wheels than the trailing. Don't get me wrong, there's boattails behind the trailing edges too, but the front ones are much larger.

If you look at the front splitter, it clearly covers the aerodynamically dirty area of the suspension components. But if you look at the leading-edge splitter for the rear wheel, it's MUCH larger than the trailing-edge rear wheel boattail.

I also recognized that the giant wings underneath Semi trucks seem to focus on the leading edges of the tires/axles, and ignore the trailing edges of the front wheels.
This tells me that the leading edges and that flat face must cause the vast majority of the drag.


Notice that the leading edges of the wings are "inboard" of the front tires, and the trailing edges are even with the faces of the rear tires.

The Leaf, stock, already has flexible rubber deflector-thingies underneath, and just like the Volkswagen, they appear to be much wider than the tire's width.


Here's a high-tech mockup to let you see what I'm talking about. Reminds me of a 'cards against humanity' card.

I was also realizing, while messing about with a nice teardrop-shaped trailing edge design, that I would have to account for the jacking point, if I ever want to work on the car again---which I most certainly do.


Even with a truncated boattail, it'd still be close to where it gets jacked up at. Also, wash your damn car, my dude.

So now I'm just thinking of focusing on the leading edge of the front tires first, and following up with the leading edges of the rear tires next.

Here's my first attempt at a shape, it's just a little wider than the tire. The outer face is even with the outer face of the tire, the inner edge extends ~1 inch inboard of the tire.


The profile of the front-tire splitter.

I bought me one of them fancy hot-wire foam cutters recently. I've got a well-ventilated garage, a NIOSH respirator, and a whole sheet of pink foam just sitting there waiting.

This cardboard design follows the natural curvature of the bumper, so it would be pretty unobtrusive, and should streamline the front face of the tire. I think I'm gonna start with this and see where it takes me. What are your thoughts?
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