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[cfg83]

Frank -

Ha ha, that's one of the conundrums of the suburbs. Originally, the companies were located in the urban city cores. People went home to the "burbs" to get away from the city.

Then something happened along the way. As we abandoned the urban cores, companies started to locate in the burbs too. Next thing you know, you are driving from burb to burb to get to work.

If I switched my parent's house with my house, I'd get back to a 2 mile commute. I would need to get a honking AC for them, though, because it's hot as Hades where I am in the summer. If I were them, I wouldn't make the switch.

CarloSW2

[Jammer]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

I know it is physically impossible for everybody to be close in enough to bicycle.

But 100+ miles away?!? COME ON.

Hey I have a relative that drives OVER 100 miles one direction to work for 4 twelve hour shifts a week. He finally broke down and bought a hybrid. It is fairly common in these parts for people to drive such distance. No surprise on my part.

Right now with the economy being what it is, many people will drive such a distance for a job. Moving is normally an after thought when they realize the cost of gasoline. No sense getting angry about it, because it's just a fact of life here.

[dcb]

I mean even if he is getting 30mpg, that is 27 gallons a week (say $80 per week in gas). Plus another 3 hours of driving per day on top of a 12 hour shift?!?

I'm pretty sure I'd be holed up in a $300 paid-in-full used camper 3 nights a week (with a cantenna of course) in that situation

[Frank Lee]

^No doubt, I'd have a sleeping room arrangement.

I've done the calcs 100 times but I think someone else can do them this time if they want to see real numbers: Take that daily miles figure and, if you've never figured your actual cents/mile operating costs either do it or use the AAA's national average figure. Then take your hourly or daily wage and figure what it is NET. Compare and be prepared to !

Not only do many of these 100 mile 4x4 commutin' stoopids put in several more unpaid hours DAILY vs. someone like me, but they put in over half the day, every day just to suppoort their truck. In some cases I've mathed out the whole wad goes into the truck. I dunno about you but if I'd be pretty embarrassed to be working to support a truck. Even sleeping in and doing nothing would be a better option than that.

[Jammer]

Again, I do not feel these people are stupid, it is their choose. If it makes any more sense, my relative has a family that lives in a house that is fully paid off in the foothills. Also they get free day care from the grand parents for their 3 kids most of the time. SO- When you already have a nice large house fully paid off, family that will offer free baby sitting maybe the math will start to add up for all of you that do not seem to understand. Also this guy is now driving an Insight Hybrid, as I recall, so I suppose his mileage is in the 40's- but most of his driving is on 70MPH interstates, so I do not know how well the Insights get going at those speeds. Either way I figure he is doing better than 30MPG.

Also the job he has pays VERY well! Perhaps when one takes everything into account they can at least understand why this guy drives so far to work. No house payment, plus no day care (wife is a teacher) saves them money. The house was built by the girl's dad so I do not think they can up and sell the home and use such money for a closer house, AND the wife has a job much closer to the home.

Now, for many others here their situation is much more drastic. Some are forced to live with family members, many pay little or no rent, but the only jobs they can find are over 70 miles away (that pay enough). SO in seeing many of these adults have family helping them, they come out ahead on the gas because they are paying little to no rent. Many that drive so far do so because their bottom line is actually better because of what their families do for them. I see it everyday here, and I am not speaking of welfare I'm talking about families helping out their adult kids in a really tough economy. Where I live at one can not buy a job right now.

[Frank Lee]

The millions and millions of hypercommuters all have situations like that?

Yes:

Sleeping rooms

Carpools

Motorcycles

Hybrid/diesel/econobox

55 mph

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No:

V8s

4x4s

full-size

95 mph

autostarts

I guess I could choose to drive my F150 exclusively- my carbon footprint would still be but a fraction of theirs.

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by Jammer

Now, for many others here their situation is much more drastic. Some are forced to live with family members, many pay little or no rent, but the only jobs they can find are over 70 miles away (that pay enough). SO in seeing many of these adults have family helping them, they come out ahead on the gas because they are paying little to no rent. Many that drive so far do so because their bottom line is actually better because of what their families do for them. I see it everyday here, and I am not speaking of welfare I'm talking about families helping out their adult kids in a really tough economy. Where I live at one can not buy a job right now.

Forced me to do some math!!!

Hypothetical yet typical here: 160 miles/day, $14/hr job, let's use $4 gas cuz it's been there and it will be again.

14 x 8 = 112; x .72 (28% typical for taxes and misc deductions) = $80.64 net/day.

4x4 V8 with excessive autostarting, speeding, and general thirst esp. in winter returns 10-12 mpg for many; 160/10-12 = 13.3-16 gallons/day x 4 = $53.33-$64 commute gasoline only cost/day- no payments, insurance, maint., repair, etc.

$80.64 - $53.33-$64 = $16.64- $27.31 take home pay/day...

160miles/day @ 65mph = 2.5 hours/day; 8 + 2.5 = 10.5 hours/day; $16.64-$27.31/10.5 = $1.58- $2.60/hour net take home

Alternatively: per AAA for '08: SUV cents/mile = well, 58cents/mile for our guy? = 160 x 5 days/week = 800 x 50 = 40,000miles/year x .58 = $23,200/yr

AAA Exchange

... our guy makes $80.64/day x 5 = 403.20/week x 50 = $20,160

... math wrong or what Sure doesn't add up.

... and that is why we find mom 'n' dad or gramma or someone subsidizing this nonsense.

[Jammer]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

Forced me to do the math!!!

Hypothetical yet typical here: 160 miles/day, $14/hr job, let's use $4 gas cuz it's been there and it will be again.

14 x 8 = 112; x .72 (28% typical for taxes and misc deductions) = $80.64 net/day.

4x4 V8 with excessive autostarting, speeding, and general thirst esp. in winter returns 10-12 mpg for many; 160/10-12 = 13.3-16 gallons/day x 4 = $53.33-$64 commute gasoline only cost/day- no payments, insurance, maint., repair, etc.

$80.64 - $53.33-$64 = $16.64- $27.31 take home pay/day...

160miles/day @ 65mph = 2.5 hours/day; 8 + 2.5 = 10.5 hours/day; $16.64-$27.31/10.5 = $1.58- $2.60/hour net take home

Alternatively: per AAA for '08: SUV cents/mile = well, 58cents/mile for our guy? = 160 x 5 days/week = 800 x 50 = 40,000miles/year x .58 = $23,200/yr

AAA Exchange

... our guy makes $80.64/day x 5 = 403.20/week x 50 = $20,160

... math wrong or what Sure doesn't add up.

Man, did you read any of the facts I typed? Shesh

Your math has nothing to do with the facts I explained and you have only further confused me as to what you are trying to say..

Oh, by the way, the guy makes much more money than that, read what I said as far as what kind of CAR he drives, and a bunch of other things you skipped or changed. And he is not stupid.

If these people were not coming out ahead they would not live in such a way.

[Frank Lee]

i just used typ for my area as noted

an that's why i call em stoopids

see?

gots no numbers for your guy

[Jammer]

Also it's not "nonsense" for family to care for their kids survival during the worse recession in many decades.