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Old 01-19-2014, 05:19 PM   #191 (permalink)
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drrbc, I was born in Herman hospital and my mom was in St. Josephs so I did not know any better till I was gone for 24 years all over Texas. Did my HHO experiments when I was in Lubbock, TX. All of the documentation is in a trailer still in Lubbock storage. Went to Maryland and saw a Amish farm using diesel engine with HHO on it to power their furniture building operation with hydraulics it was getting 50% better fuel usage. When questioned by some one that has not done any experimentation or been a part of someone's project how can you lend any credence to their belittling attacks on this board. Everything that will be known has not been designed or developed yet but thru experimentation we can discover. The Prius uses all the technology "AVAILABLE" in the USA to get better fuel milage ie.(CD, Weight, Engine, Hybrid) Smart cars in Europe have Mercedes Diesel getting 70 MPG not allowed in the USA. When I get thru with my latest idea for my caprice I think I'll change hood ornaments to a unicorn horn on the nose just for all the naysayers.

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Old 01-19-2014, 08:07 PM   #195 (permalink)
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drrbc, I was born in Herman hospital and my mom was in St. Josephs so I did not know any better till I was gone for 24 years all over Texas. Did my HHO experiments when I was in Lubbock, TX. All of the documentation is in a trailer still in Lubbock storage. Went to Maryland and saw a Amish farm using diesel engine with HHO on it to power their furniture building operation with hydraulics it was getting 50% better fuel usage. When questioned by some one that has not done any experimentation or been a part of someone's project how can you lend any credence to their belittling attacks on this board. Everything that will be known has not been designed or developed yet but thru experimentation we can discover. The Prius uses all the technology "AVAILABLE" in the USA to get better fuel milage ie.(CD, Weight, Engine, Hybrid) Smart cars in Europe have Mercedes Diesel getting 70 MPG not allowed in the USA. When I get thru with my latest idea for my caprice I think I'll change hood ornaments to a unicorn horn on the nose just for all the naysayers.

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To say you're talking to a tough audience here would be an understatement, but if you know your science hang in there. You are right about the remarks, and I'm sorry for that. Take some solace in the knowledge that the most "smart-Alec(y)" remarks come from Richards that can't even bench press their wives and would run from you if you ever met face to face.

Sorry to offend you, I apologize.

I do not discount the farmers improvement, but I think everyone here would agree that it would be more meaningful if we knew all the details. I mean, we're potentially talking a really inefficient piece of crap that the farmer modified and/or started to use differently, so a 50% improvement may not accurately reflect a single mod.

For instance, since I got my truck I've been doing mod after mod as time and money allowed. Since my initial tank giving me 15.9mpg to my current which will probably give me 20.3 it's been a process. The biggest part tho' has been learning to drive economically over the last 10k miles. I don't think any one of the mods themselves returned anything more than 1.5mpg (tonneau)- if even that much. It's been learning to drive, selecting my routes, altering my schedules, etc. So maybe 20% of the improvement came from how I use my truck and only 5% from the mods, but if I don't include that in my write up it could give the impression all of the 25% improvement came from the mods.

But with all of the details it would allow others to validate the mod for everyone's benefit. Trust me- I WANT TO BELIEVE! (I think we all do,really) So have someone in Lubbock send you the logs, type it into a spreadsheet, and you can distribute it here.

I also realize that there are technologies available elsewhere that we can't get here. I understand that up until a few years ago anywhere else in the world BUT the USA, you could get a little Ford Ranger with a four banger diesel that could get up to 45mpg. Also, that keeping it from us was likely due to the stupid games our government and automakers play. Reeeaallly not happy with that.

Good luck with the Caprice. Make sure to test appropriately and keep accurate logs. I think we'd all like to see a real, valid success. And the hood ornament!

Finally though, I gotta call BS on your birth story. Herman is a good 5 miles as the crow flies from St. Jo's so nah, not buying into that one. That story is a little too big, even for Texas.

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drrbc, my attempt at a little humor has eluded me. I'm a second generation native Houstonian. I run 85 MPH ever where and only get around 17 in a Ford f-150 Ecoboost. What got me interested in better fuel burn and efficiency was Smokey Yunick's Adiabatic Engine (Pop Sci Apr 83) went to the stacks at ATM's library and found a wealth of information on tests that people had tried on lean burn and DOCUMENTED on attempts to get a more complete burn of fuel. Been living the Dream ever since and not doing much experimentation till the HHO system on my caprice. Working on building a shop with all tools necessary to tune and experiment with alternative fuels. It seems that most people doing this are backyard tinkers that do not have the funds to achieve commercial success or their charlatans like most snake oil salesmen. Smokey tried and found out the system was not interested. Have to think outside the box to beat the system.

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