Making the Ioniq slippier

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Noted. What does eveyone else think?

I thought it interesting the Hyundai tasked Giorgetto Giugiaro with designing a pony car in 1974.

The body line development and pixelated LEDs suggests they have the 'Paric Dressmaker' aspect under control.

He's been a mainstay in the automotive community for all this time. Volkswagen AG used him for all the original water-cooled VWs, and have since purchased his Ital Design.

[The Toecutter]

Originally Posted by Phase

but hyundai literally took on the prius and beat it with the first ioniq hybrid

and now the ioniq 6 ev has a low cd of .21

The 2023 Ioniq 6 EV will have finally caught up with the 1935 Tatra T77A. We only had to wait about 90 years for a mainstream automaker to match that... The average new car just recently began to match the 1921 Rumpler Tropfenwagen on Cd value, ~0.28, only a century later.

If big block V8 musclecars of the early 1970s had that level of slipperiness, 35+ mpg highway would have been a reality back then during the first fuel crisis. But "no one would buy it", the executives said, as consumers demanded fuel economy and complained about the ugly, underpowered cars of the Malaise era that followed that still got teens regarding highway MPGs, and then bought cheap Hondas and Toyotas instead because the Big 3 set the bar so low...

Planned obsolescence is the sacred cow that is largely responsible for destroying our planet. Industries that use it as a guiding design principle in their products don't deserve to exist, IMO.

[aerohead]

'Forget it, all we want to see is conventional silhouettes: streamlining is dead. No one will ever by it.'
Walter P. Chrysler, to automotive designer John Tjaarda, after being shown the 'Brigg's Dream Car' ,Briggs Manufacturing concept replacement for the Chrysler Airflow, 1937.
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'We're not about to make the world's most aero vehicle that no one would buy.'
Rick Anieros, Vice President, Chrysler Group, Daimler-Chrysler ( Re: JEEP and Truck design, 2010 )

[The Toecutter]

Meanwhile, cars with at least the appearance of extreme slipperiness like the Citroen DS, Tesla Model S, and Toyota Prius tend to sell very well in their respective time periods, and concept cars that are actually slippery and still look the part like the GM EV1, Mercedes EQXX Vision, GM Precept, ALL seem to generate large amounts of consumer interest during their respective time periods! I wonder why that is if no one wants to buy them?

Originally Posted by aerohead

'Forget it, all we want to see is conventional silhouettes: streamlining is dead. No one will ever by it.'
Walter P. Chrysler, to automotive designer John Tjaarda, after being shown the 'Brigg's Dream Car' ,Briggs Manufacturing concept replacement for the Chrysler Airflow, 1937.
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'We're not about to make the world's most aero vehicle that no one would buy.'
Rick Anieros, Vice President, Chrysler Group, Daimler-Chrysler ( Re: JEEP and Truck design, 2010 )

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by The Toecutter

Meanwhile, cars with at least the appearance of extreme slipperiness like the Citroen DS, Tesla Model S, and Toyota Prius tend to sell very well in their respective time periods, and concept cars that are actually slippery and still look the part like the GM EV1, Mercedes EQXX Vision, GP Precept, ALL seem to generate large amounts of consumer interest during their respective time periods! I wonder why that is if no one wants to buy them?

I suspect that, should HOLLYWOOD release some blockbuster motion pictures, or television series with top-tier actor heroes driving low-drag specials, the 14-year-old aeroheads of the world and maybe their dads would want to be seen in one, just like I responded to Sean Connery and his Aston Martin, or, Steve McQueen's Bullit, Burt Reynolds' Smoky and the Bandit, Lee Majors' The Fall Guy, Dukes of Hazzard, Grand Prix, Batman, Route 66, Rockford Files, Night Rider, Fast and the Furious,...................
It would be an interesting sociological experiment.
It would give drivers 'permission' to explore the ramifications of 'shape.'

[Phase]

Originally Posted by freebeard

So.... Have you got a boat tail on that thing yet?

No. Full boat tail isn’t an option for practicality. You know how tight parking is in Portland.

Next mod is an eqxx style diffuser

[freebeard]

You know how tight parking is in Portland.

Haven't been there in years. But I have the same problem in my carport.

[Phase]

Interesting how cd 0.22 Porsche taycan uses side skirts while some other low drag cars don’t. Beautiful rear diffuser. Front splitter pretty much scoops air under the car on purpose, versus blocking off air how flat generic front splitters do

[The Toecutter]

Originally Posted by Phase

Front splitter pretty much scoops air under the car on purpose, versus blocking off air how flat generic front splitters do

It's adding downforce that the heavy lardass of a car probably doesn't even need, given that its top speed is electronically limited to 161 mph. It has 606 horsepower on tap. That sort of top speed is awfully wasteful of 606 horsepower. I understand that its drive system's continuous power rating is a lot lower than its peak power, but if all you can hold is 161 mph, when the Opel Eco Speedster can reach that with only 112 horsepower on tap, variables that pertain to the efficiency of that Taycan are VERY wrong in spite of its relatively low drag coefficient(as far as production cars go). Vehicle weight, frontal area, and choice of tires are obviously piggish and very load-inducing on it. Which really ruins the point of a vehicle with a 0.22 Cd.

Porsche used to make delightfully svelte cars in the 1940s and 1950s. Especially the 550 Coupe. Modern Porsche supercars weigh as much as SUVs and are designed to accommodate morbidly obese operators/passengers, and there is no longer the focus on form follows function body design language that Porsche pioneered in the early post-WWII era. Today, it's all about offering feature-laden, fat-margined, disposable, overly-flashy, difficult-to-repair succubi designed to drain your wallet. The company has lost what it once was, unfortunately. And it shows, especially when you consider what the earliest Porsche sports cars and their parts are selling for these days.

Lots of companies have made 550 Spyder kit car replicas for sale, but has anyone ever made a 550 Coupe? I've never found one. A 550 Coupe has more than 30% less drag than the 550 Spyder. The 550 Spyder could do 140 mph on 110 horsepower. Jack Rickard's electric Spyder used about 180 Wh/mile. The 550 Coupe is significantly more efficient. That 550 Coupe would make an EXCELLENT shape for a highly fuel efficient go-fast machine, especially with the EV technology we have these days. Instead, we get bulky lardasses that need to haul around tons of batteries in order to get acceptable range. Instead of deliciously light sports cars, Porsche now makes SUVs and crossovers.

Porsche has been defiling its own legacy for decades. Wish it would honor it with something like what it used to build, but with modern technology.

[freebeard]

Can you stitch-and-glue sheet aluminum? Would that be drifter stiching?