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Old 12-05-2017, 06:21 PM   #601 (permalink)
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This fatalist likes to talk about the "clathrate gun".
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:22 PM   #602 (permalink)
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I'll bet he's a lot of fun at parties.

OTOH I looked at a quote of your post and see how to jump to the middle of a video, so
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Fatalism and denialism of ecological conservation are effectively the same.
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I'm having trouble parsing that. Can you state it without '-isms'?
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Ecological denialism-There's nothing wrong. We don't need to change anything.

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Ecological fatalism-We're so screwed. It's too late. There's nothing we can do. We don't need to change anything.
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How about "We might as well try to have breathable air and drinkable water for as long as possible?"
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200 Million years is possible if we could put selfishness and ego aside (and ancient non-scientific beliefs) and be smart about it.
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Ecological denialism- = Ecological fatalism
Those strike me as opposed but equally wrong. I agree the effect is similar.
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Ecological realism- There are reasonable actions that can be taken to preserve the environment, and an understanding that change is constant and inevitable. Realization that most harm done towards humans is a result of direct action/inaction, and not due to ecology.

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200 Million years is possible if we could put selfishness and ego aside (and ancient non-scientific beliefs) and be smart about it.
Life will be around in 200 million years, but probably not human life. As our understanding of science improves, individuals grow more powerful. Lunatics will one day wield enormous destructive power.

Most of human history occurred prior to scientific discovery. Knowledge of Newton's Laws of Motion isn't necessary for species survival. Plenty of species are 200 million years old, and none of them have scientific belief systems.

“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

This non-scientific belief seems to be pretty good for humanity. I'll cling to this one.
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A 90% vegan seemed to feel that cuban-based life forms were mostly responsible for snowball warming or whatever. She was upset about the Paris Pinkie Swear and did not seem to care that one hundred trillion dollars only covered the first phase alone.

I mentioned my idea of creating a solar shade and she just asked how many greenhouse gases that would create.

Who cares that the Earth would be cooler, ice caps would grow, and the sea level would lower. It wouldn't smell right!

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