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Old 07-04-2020, 12:45 AM   #11 (permalink)
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other side of the pond I think this engine is very unususal and non existent with automatic
AFAIK there are some in Argentina and Uruguay.


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some also say this is underpowered but in my opinion it is not I can drive way faster than speed limits and it is just on really rough hills i need full throttle to keep speed
Nobody should hold high performance expectations for a naturally-aspirated and relatively small Diesel from the '80s and early '90s, but they provided a reasonable performance for a daily driver.

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Old 07-04-2020, 06:10 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Nobody should hold high performance expectations for a naturally-aspirated and relatively small Diesel from the '80s and early '90s, but they provided a reasonable performance for a daily driver.
That is so true or like someone else said:

She won't win any races but she will run forever

The thing with old NA diesels is simplicity, longevity, durability and sometimes pretty good fuel consumption

You can tune a NA diesel with exhaust, port/polish and injection pump modification, just like any NA gas engines

only injection pump modification is known to yield up to Around 50hp/liter and this is on peugeot, citroen, VAG 1.6(75-80hp) and 1.9 (85-95hp) stock they had 1.6 (54hp) and 1.9 (75hp) but it is costly
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Have you ever tried making diesel from vegetable oil?
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Have you ever tried making diesel from vegetable oil?
If you mean biodiesel or FAME then no, impossible to get hold of the chemicals needed for it here

If you mean blending the yes, have probably blended for more than 100 000km in total (62 000miles) over the last 12 years both with SVO and WVO

with only this car I have alrady blended for 10 051km, actually have a blend between kerosene(ULSD) 45% and unused canola oil 55% in the fueltank right now
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The thing with old NA diesels is simplicity, longevity, durability and sometimes pretty good fuel consumption
That's why some of them still held some popularity among customers with a more traditional profile until Euro-4 pulled the plug on the Peugeot DW8 and Euro-5 led to the demise of road-going versions of the Volkswagen 2.0 SDI.


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only injection pump modification is known to yield up to Around 50hp/liter and this is on peugeot, citroen, VAG 1.6(75-80hp) and 1.9 (85-95hp) stock they had 1.6 (54hp) and 1.9 (75hp) but it is costly
While reaching some gasser-like specific power could appeal to a broader public as it did with the increased presence of turbochargers and common-rail injection, I wouldn't hold my breath for a high-cost tuning in a non-turbo Diesel to get so much attention from folks who would never even lurked about owning a Diesel-powered vehicle before.
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While reaching some gasser-like specific power could appeal to a broader public as it did with the increased presence of turbochargers and common-rail injection, I wouldn't hold my breath for a high-cost tuning in a non-turbo Diesel to get so much attention from folks who would never even lurked about owning a Diesel-powered vehicle before.
That is not my intention at all, getting attention from others that is.... just find technology and tuning facinating (and enjoy more power) and plan on doing this to my car later sometime.

The thing is many people think it is impossible to tune diesels without turbo and get a more drivable car, wich is far from the truth, but it is quite expensive, turbo is always a lot cheaper...
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That is not my intention at all, getting attention from others that is....
I didn't mean to say that you would be looking to get attention from others, even though a tuned naturally-aspirated Diesel could be a good way to start some random talks and maybe convince some folks that Diesel is not evil at all. But you know, some people simply look at the power figures and ignore any benefit a no-frills Diesel could get them.


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And a stronger sales argument for the automakers.
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I didn't mean to say that you would be looking to get attention from others, even though a tuned naturally-aspirated Diesel could be a good way to start some random talks and maybe convince some folks that Diesel is not evil at all. But you know, some people simply look at the power figures and ignore any benefit a no-frills Diesel could get them.




And a stronger sales argument for the automakers.
the frills with a diesel like this is in the calm you get when driving because you cannot hurry even if you try LOL and the easy/cheap maintenance (and also low fuel consumption)

people today want to hurry everywhere, preferably in a car that drive itself and drives very fast, turbo is better for people like that...


the thing i can say about dieselhaters is: try to smell the exhaust of a old diesel that runs on wvo/svo, never heard anyone complain about that haha
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It's not so much the smell.

It's the deep-lung particulates.
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It's not so much the smell.

It's the deep-lung particulates.
well my response to that is:
1. mine is prechamber(one of the last prechamber engines in fact) so way less particles much better swirl inside combustion chamber than ever possbile on direct injection, this also makes these stock engine possbile to rev to about 6000-7000 rpm with relative ease if you adjust the governor (try that with direct injecton diesel HAHA!) but the downside to this is these engines are less fuel efficient and more complicated/expensive to build

2.no particule filter so the particles are big enough to get caught by your Cilium in your nose and throat before reaching the lungs the thing is just because something is invisible to your naked eye doesnt make it gone or harmless, it might actually be the oposite

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